5 off-duty officers among bikers in SUV incident

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

Undercover cops were there, infiltrating the bike gang.

[GandD 5,966]

It's the easy way out. Folks are violent, doesn't matter what color they are. But black men are REALLY scary, so it's more dramatic when these stories unfold.

That's just because you guys are on average bigger and tend to stick together more. At least, that's the perception.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

That's just because you guys are on average bigger and tend to stick together more. At least, that's the perception.

And that's what it is. I've seen big white guys in biker gangs or just hanging out in general, they're not seen as a threat. But a bunch of black guys? Someone is already calling the cops. Here at work, we joke if there are more than two black people in one place at the same time, we have to break it up or be arrested.

[lostinblue 1,989]

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2727178728001/biker-beating-suspect-gets-kid-glove-treatment/

[Eric-Pris 1,607]

I saw some white bikers lostinblue. The main guy that was hurt was white. So they were pissed off that there friend was ran over by a freakin SUV. What does your point about them being majority black have to do with anything?

The family would not have needed protection if they had not ran over people.

It's sad because he saw some blak men on bikes and felt the need to run them over. Address that issue.

The bikers were pretty lucky. Had that been me in that SUV, they would have all been dead. As they were chasing the guy and trying to box him in, anybody who would've gotten in front of my car would have my tire tread marks on his face. I would have just started swirving from side to side; and whomever chose to get too close, oh well, that's the risk they take.

"I was afraid for my life and the life of my wife and young child in the car, your Honor"

No need for a gun permit, he had a much bigger weapon at his disposal but he chose not to use it and got a beatdown because of it.

Edited October 7, 2013 by Eric-Pris

[spookyturtle 9,466]

It's the easy way out. Folks are violent, doesn't matter what color they are. But black men are REALLY scary, so it's more dramatic when these stories unfold.

Actually I'm more frightened by those Asian gangs and tough looking Asians. They have those slanted eyes so you really can't read their eyes too well, plus they come from China and those countries where there are no human rights at all and life means nothing.

[duraaraa 203]

You know, the Mongolians absolutely hate the Chinese. I keep trying to convince my family not to hate Chinese -- they don't hate the Chinese kids in school, but they hear Mongolian rap music with lyrics very hateful to the Chinese and they generally agree with them, my wife included.

When we had a conversation about it, my 15 and 17 year olds pointed me to a video about the horrible things China did in Tibet. They then went on to talk about how Chinese have abducted Mongolian girls and used them for prostitution, and how Chinese have murdered and sold the internal organs of Mongolians.

The other issue is that Chinese mining companies buy valuable land in Mongolia, and give nothing back to the Mongolian people -- just a big fat check to whatever crooked government official made it possible for them to buy the land.

That being said, there are Chinese kids in my kids' schools, and they don't hate them.

I guess we came to the resolution that there are many bad Chinese people, but there are also many good Chinese people, so try not to judge them.

Violence against Chinese, though, is not unheard of in Mongolia either, sadly.

Edited October 7, 2013 by duraaraa

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Actually I'm more frightened by those Asian gangs and tough looking Asians. They have those slanted eyes so you really can't read their eyes too well, plus they come from China and those countries where there are no human rights at all and life means nothing.

I do know in Japan, they fear anyone with a bunch of tattoos, my friend Le(Vietnamese) has his whole left arm tatted up, so he can't go to any spas in Japan since it's prohibited.

You know, the Mongolians absolutely hate the Chinese. I keep trying to convince my family not to hate Chinese -- they don't hate the Chinese kids in school, but they hear Mongolian rap music with lyrics very hateful to the Chinese and they generally agree with them, my wife included.

When we had a conversation about it, my 15 and 17 year olds pointed me to a video about the horrible things China did in Tibet. They then went on to talk about how Chinese have abducted Mongolian girls and used them for prostitution, and how Chinese have murdered and sold the internal organs of Mongolians.

The other issue is that Chinese mining companies buy valuable land in Mongolia, and give nothing back to the Mongolian people -- just a big fat check to whatever crooked government official made it possible for them to buy the land.

That being said, there are Chinese kids in my kids' schools, and they don't hate them.

I guess we came to the resolution that there are many bad Chinese people, but there are also many good Chinese people, so try not to judge them.

Violence against Chinese, though, is not unheard of in Mongolia either, sadly.

I've had Chinese say they hate Japanese, Koreans hate Chinese, Japanese say they hate anyone who isn't Japanese. It's just sad to hate someone because of where they are from or what they look like.

[duraaraa 203]

I do know in Japan, they fear anyone with a bunch of tattoos, my friend Le(Vietnamese) has his whole left arm tatted up, so he can't go to any spas in Japan since it's prohibited.

I've had Chinese say they hate Japanese, Koreans hate Chinese, Japanese say they hate anyone who isn't Japanese. It's just sad to hate someone because of where they are from or what they look like.

Ironically, while Japanese don't like Koreans and Chinese, they like Mongolians... many of the top sumo wrestlers in Japan are Mongolian. Mongolians and Japanese seem to get along.

The human trafficking is a big issue, though, to Mongolians, and Koreans have also abducted Mongolian girls into prostitution. It's really sad that such things happen.

That being said, I think it's a-ok to hate a country, but you have to hate people on a strict case-by-case basis, if at all.

[Darnell 8,479]

So, back at timetick 0, if the driver had simply stayed put, not engage the gearbox, all would have been ok.

Yes? No?

[lostinblue 1,989]

Black on asian beat down that is fair game. Including wife and 2 year old. .See a 2 year old in a car seat what the hell . Smash the window anyway.

The motor psycho charged with starting the biker-mob attack that left a young Manhattan dad beaten to a pulp flipped off photographers in court Sunday — as it emerged that earlier this year, he caught a break from a judge.

Career criminal Reginald Chance, 37, extended both middle fingers as he was hauled into Manhattan Criminal Court on gang-assault and other charges tied to the Sept. 29 beatdown of Alexian Lien.

Chance — who has 21 prior arrests for charges ranging from drugs to robbery to gun possession — was ordered held in lieu $100,000 bond or $75,000 cash.

Records reveal junk justice left him free to raise hell after an April drug deal near a Brooklyn school. Chance had allegedly sold cocaine through a middleman to an undercover cop in Bed-Stuy. A warrant was later executed on an apartment Chance was in and turned up cocaine, pot and a loaded handgun.

Chance was busted and hit with gun and drug raps and faced more than 25 years’ prison.

But Brooklyn prosecutors dropped the gun rap when Chance was indicted. A source said the charge was weakened by the fact that Chance — who allegedly admitted the pistol was his — had not been the target of the search for the gun.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/06/cops-bust-silver-helmet-biker-who-assaulted-family/

Loaded hand gun NO permit charges dropped. 21 priors..... He should be doing 2 years mandatory for the hand gun alone. Cuomo passed the NY Safe act because they need tougher laws in NY State

[lostinblue 1,989]

I do know in Japan, they fear anyone with a bunch of tattoos, my friend Le(Vietnamese) has his whole left arm tatted up, so he can't go to any spas in Japan since it's prohibited.

I've had Chinese say they hate Japanese, Koreans hate Chinese, Japanese say they hate anyone who isn't Japanese. It's just sad to hate someone because of where they are from or what they look like.

The Chinese will not forget...EVERY Chinese knows this story and god help the Japanese if it is in another war with China

Scarred by history: The Rape of Nanjing

Between December 1937 and March 1938 one of the worst massacres in modern times took place. Japanese troops captured the Chinese city of Nanjing and embarked on a campaign of murder, rape and looting.

Thousands of bodies were buried in ditches

Based on estimates made by historians and charity organisations in the city at the time, between 250,000 and 300,000 people were killed, many of them women and children.

The number of women raped was said by Westerners who were there to be 20,000, and there were widespread accounts of civilians being hacked to death.

Yet many Japanese officials and historians deny there was a massacre on such a scale.

They admit that deaths and rapes did occur, but say they were on a much smaller scale than reported. And in any case, they argue, these things happen in times of war.

The Sino-Japanese Wars

In 1931, Japan invaded Chinese Manchuria following a bombing incident at a railway controlled by Japanese interests.

The Chinese troops were no match for their opponents and Japan ended up in control of great swathes of Chinese territory.

The following years saw Japan consolidate its hold, while China suffered civil war between communists and the nationalists of the Kuomintang. The latter were led by General Chiang Kai-shek, whose capital was at Nanjing.

Japanese troops enter the city in triumph

Many Japanese, particularly some elements of the army, wanted to increase their influence and in July 1937, a skirmish between Chinese and Japanese troops escalated into full-scale war.

The Japanese again had initial success, but then there was a period of successful Chinese defence before the Japanese broke through at Shanghai and swiftly moved on to Nanjing.

Chiang Kai-shek's troops had already left the city and the Japanese army occupied it without difficulty.

'One of the great atrocities of modern times'

At the time, the Japanese army did not have a reputation for brutality.

In the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-5, the Japanese commanders had behaved with great courtesy towards their defeated opponents, but this was very different.

Japanese papers reported competitions among junior officers to kill the most Chinese.

There probably is no crime that has not been committed in this city today

Minnie Vautrin

US woman in Nanjing

One Japanese newspaper correspondent saw lines of Chinese being taken for execution on the banks of the Yangtze River, where he saw piles of burned corpses.

Photographs from the time, now part of an exhibition in the city, show Japanese soldiers standing, smiling, among heaps of dead bodies.

Tillman Durdin of the New York Times reported the early stages of the massacre before being forced to leave.

He later wrote: "I was 29 and it was my first big story for the New York Times. So I drove down to the waterfront in my car. And to get to the gate I had to just climb over masses of bodies accumulated there."

"The car just had to drive over these dead bodies. And the scene on the river front, as I waited for the launch... was of a group of smoking, chattering Japanese officers overseeing the massacring of a battalion of Chinese captured troops."

"They were marching about in groups of about 15, machine-gunning them."

As he departed, he saw 200 men being executed in 10 minutes to the apparent enjoyment of Japanese military spectators.

He concluded that the rape of Nanjing was "one of the great atrocities of modern times".

'The memories cannot be erased'

A Christian missionary, John Magee, described Japanese soldiers as killing not only "every prisoner they could find but also a vast number of ordinary citizens of all ages".

"Many of them were shot down like the hunting of rabbits in the streets," he said.

Some victims were reportedly buried alive

After what he described as a week of murder and rape, the Rev Magee joined other Westerners in trying to set up an international safety zone.

Another who tried to help was an American woman, Minnie Vautrin, who kept a diary which has been likened to that of Anne Frank.

Her entry for 16 December reads: "There probably is no crime that has not been committed in this city today. Thirty girls were taken from the language school [where she worked] last night, and today I have heard scores of heartbreaking stories of girls who were taken from their homes last night - one of the girls was but 12 years old."

Later, she wrote: "How many thousands were mowed down by guns or bayoneted we shall probably never know. For in many cases oil was thrown over their bodies and then they were burned."

"Charred bodies tell the tales of some of these tragedies. The events of the following ten days are growing dim. But there are certain of them that lifetime will not erase from my memory and the memories of those who have been in Nanjing through this period."

Minnie Vautrin suffered a nervous breakdown in 1940 and returned to the US. She committed suicide in 1941.

Also horrified at what he saw was John Rabe, a German who was head of the local Nazi party.

He became leader of the international safety zone and recorded what he saw, some of it on film, but this was banned by the Nazis when he returned to Germany.

He wrote about rape and other brutalities which occurred even in the middle of the supposedly protected area.

Confession and denial

After the Second World War was over, one of the Japanese soldiers who was in Nanjing spoke about what he had seen.

Japanese troops showed little mercy

Azuma Shiro recalled one episode: "There were about 37 old men, old women and children. We captured them and gathered them in a square."

"There was a woman holding a child on her right arm... and another one on her left."

"We stabbed and killed them, all three - like potatoes in a skewer. I thought then, it's been only one month since I left home... and 30 days later I was killing people without remorse."

Mr Shiro suffered for his confession: "When there was a war exhibition in Kyoto, I testified. The first person who criticized me was a lady in Tokyo. She said I was damaging those who died in the war."

"She called me incessantly for three or four days. More and more letters came and the attack became so severe... that the police had to provide me with protection."

Such testimony, however, has been discounted at the highest levels in Japan.

Former Justice Minister Shigeto Nagano denied that the massacre had occurred, claiming it was a Chinese fabrication.

Professor Ienaga Saburo spent many years fighting the Japanese government in the courts with only limited success for not allowing true accounts of Japanese war atrocities to be given in school textbooks.

There is also opposition to the idea among ordinary Japanese people. A film called Don't Cry Nanjing was made by Chinese and Hong Kong film-makers in 1995 but it was several years before it was shown in Japan.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/223038.stm

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Black on asian beat down that is fair game. Including wife and 2 year old. .See a 2 year old in a car seat what the hell . Smash the window anyway.

The motor psycho charged with starting the biker-mob attack that left a young Manhattan dad beaten to a pulp flipped off photographers in court Sunday — as it emerged that earlier this year, he caught a break from a judge.

Career criminal Reginald Chance, 37, extended both middle fingers as he was hauled into Manhattan Criminal Court on gang-assault and other charges tied to the Sept. 29 beatdown of Alexian Lien.

Chance — who has 21 prior arrests for charges ranging from drugs to robbery to gun possession — was ordered held in lieu $100,000 bond or $75,000 cash.

Records reveal junk justice left him free to raise hell after an April drug deal near a Brooklyn school. Chance had allegedly sold cocaine through a middleman to an undercover cop in Bed-Stuy. A warrant was later executed on an apartment Chance was in and turned up cocaine, pot and a loaded handgun.

Chance was busted and hit with gun and drug raps and faced more than 25 years’ prison.

But Brooklyn prosecutors dropped the gun rap when Chance was indicted. A source said the charge was weakened by the fact that Chance — who allegedly admitted the pistol was his — had not been the target of the search for the gun.

http://nypost.com/2013/10/06/cops-bust-silver-helmet-biker-who-assaulted-family/

Loaded hand gun NO permit charges dropped. 21 priors..... He should be doing 2 years mandatory for the hand gun alone. Cuomo passed the NY Safe act because they need tougher laws in NY State

Let me guess, this is the reason you fear us?

[spookyturtle 9,466]

So, back at timetick 0, if the driver had simply stayed put, not engage the gearbox, all would have been ok.

Yes? No?

No.

[duraaraa 203]

Let me guess, this is the reason you fear us?

Do I fear him? You bet!

Do I fear you? Absolutely not.

I wouldn't group you together at all. He's a career criminal, and you (from what I can tell reading this board) are an intelligent, normal guy, but you just happen to be the same or of similar race.

One would think anyone could tell that there are bad apples from any ethnic background.