Complicated Relationship and I want a Summary Dissolution

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For Gowon, any visa problem is a reason to get rid of the K-1, doesn't matter if its a K-1 visa or not. To him they're the root of all evil.

The op hasn't been here since Oct 16th. But your process is, he must file for divorce in the USA. Once the divorce is final, you'll need the divorce papers and file to have the courts recognise that divorce. This is not a simple process, you'll need a lawyer who can provide the relevant laws of the state where the divorce was given, and the court must review that the divorce was properly given by the laws of the location it was given. Once that ruling is completed, the ruling will need to be submitted to the NSO, so they can annotate your CEMAR, to show the marriage was legally and rightly terminated. This is a process just slightly less difficult and complex (which means money) than an annulment.

She came on a CR-1. Guess that means CR-1's should be ended because of scammers.

This twisting of my position is a shame. I've always thought of your username to be above reproach in conducting a fair debate. I can clearly see that my position makes you a lot more uncomfortable than should be.

Gowon, supports any visa class that doesn't injure foreign beneficiaries. OP here is injured because for her to go on with her life she depends on her Husband holds the card, as in K1 cases, to be the initiator of the divorce. CR1 alleviates, not eradicates that dependency as we see here.

[Caryh 5,206]

This twisting of my position is a shame. I've always thought of your username to be above reproach in conducting a fair debate. I can clearly see that my position makes you a lot more uncomfortable than should be.

Gowon, supports any visa class that doesn't injure foreign beneficiaries. OP here is injured because for her to go on with her life she depends on her Husband holds the card, as in K1 cases, to be the initiator of the divorce. CR1 alleviates, not eradicates that dependency as we see here.

The Philippines has those laws because they value marriage so highly. She can end her marriage there, if she choses to. Its not easy and takes a long time, if you don't have the money. Its faster if you have the money. But no matter how you want to slice it, it is their country, their rules, their culture. Marriage is not meant to be entered into lightly, and to help enforce that, you can't get out of a marriage easily either.

You posted here, blaming the K-1 for the problem, even though she came on a CR-1. I've debated the entire K-1 issue with you, doesn't matter what a person says, doesn't matter what solutions could be found, you're against K-1's and blame them no matter what. There could easily be solutions to the problems with K-1s, you don't care as you just want to see them ended. I even brought up what if the K-1 automatically got a green card like a spousal visa does, and still you were against the K-1. That alone made the difference between a K-1 and CR-1 nothing more than where and when they get married.

You think getting to the USA is an end all in itself. Family unification visas, are to unify families, period. K-1 visas are so a family can be formed. These visas are there so US citizens can experience life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. They are not there so foreign nationals can get the chance to get to the USA somehow and then screw over the person who loved them and thought they were loved in return. There are other visas to give foreign nationals the chance to enter the USA. They are controlled as to how many people can enter on each visa type, so the USA can control the amount of immigration into the USA. Like it or not, there would be no family unification visas, or K-1 visas if they not created to benefit the US citizen. Nowhere in their creation was the thought they should be there to benefit the foreign national.

Now does that put the foreign national under the control of the US citizen. Yes it certainly does. It is at the discretion of the US citizen to bring a spouse of fiancee to the USA. It is also up to them to be responsible for that foreign national. To treat them well, to adjust their status and support them. To not abuse them, you know we have laws against abuse in this country. Any foreign national, spouse or fiancee is going to be totally dependent and the person who sponsored them. They should know who the heck they are marrying, they should know this person is not an abusive person. Half the problem is you have foreign nationals dieing the get into the USA. They'll marry or come on a K-1 with someone they hardly know for the chance at a better life. Is it any wonder there are some that end up with a bad seed? With an abusive person? Heck even some of those immigrants are the abusive ones and abuse the US citizen spouse.

Simple put, there are abusive people out there. Its not the visa, its the people that cause the problems and you can't write laws that change what people are.

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The Philippines has those laws because they value marriage so highly. She can end her marriage there, if she choses to. Its not easy and takes a long time, if you don't have the money. Its faster if you have the money. But no matter how you want to slice it, it is their country, their rules, their culture. Marriage is not meant to be entered into lightly, and to help enforce that, you can't get out of a marriage easily either.

You posted here, blaming the K-1 for the problem, even though she came on a CR-1. I've debated the entire K-1 issue with you, doesn't matter what a person says, doesn't matter what solutions could be found, you're against K-1's and blame them no matter what. There could easily be solutions to the problems with K-1s, you don't care as you just want to see them ended. I even brought up what if the K-1 automatically got a green card like a spousal visa does, and still you were against the K-1. That alone made the difference between a K-1 and CR-1 nothing more than where and when they get married.

You think getting to the USA is an end all in itself. Family unification visas, are to unify families, period. K-1 visas are so a family can be formed. These visas are there so US citizens can experience life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. They are not there so foreign nationals can get the chance to get to the USA somehow and then screw over the person who loved them and thought they were loved in return. There are other visas to give foreign nationals the chance to enter the USA. They are controlled as to how many people can enter on each visa type, so the USA can control the amount of immigration into the USA. Like it or not, there would be no family unification visas, or K-1 visas if they not created to benefit the US citizen. Nowhere in their creation was the thought they should be there to benefit the foreign national.

Now does that put the foreign national under the control of the US citizen. Yes it certainly does. It is at the discretion of the US citizen to bring a spouse of fiancee to the USA. It is also up to them to be responsible for that foreign national. To treat them well, to adjust their status and support them. To not abuse them, you know we have laws against abuse in this country. Any foreign national, spouse or fiancee is going to be totally dependent and the person who sponsored them. They should know who the heck they are marrying, they should know this person is not an abusive person. Half the problem is you have foreign nationals dieing the get into the USA. They'll marry or come on a K-1 with someone they hardly know for the chance at a better life. Is it any wonder there are some that end up with a bad seed? With an abusive person? Heck even some of those immigrants are the abusive ones and abuse the US citizen spouse.

Simple put, there are abusive people out there. Its not the visa, its the people that cause the problems and you can't write laws that change what people are.

This is what I expected of this username. See, you can make counterpoints, intelligently and compassionately, without twisting my words. I never said CR1 should be abolished only K1 and I continue to maintain that.

Have a nice day.

PS: By the way, again, read my original post, this time carefully and you will realize that I never said that the OP came in on a K1 visa. I merely stated that I now realised that CR1 also posed an untaught of by me of grave risk to the future of beneficiaries, but only from the Philippines due to their divorce laws in which the USC still has control.

[Caryh 5,206]

This is what I expected of this username. See, you can make counterpoints, intelligently and compassionately, without twisting my words. I never said CR1 should be abolished only K1 and I continue to maintain that.

Have a nice day.

PS: By the way, again, read my original post, this time carefully and you will realize that I never said that the OP came in on a K1 visa. I merely stated that I now realised that CR1 also posed an untaught of by me of grave risk to the future of beneficiaries, but only from the Philippines due to their divorce laws in which the USC still has control.

The Philippines has no divorce, period. They do have annulment, but its not so easy to get. Takes time, lots of time if you don't have money, and still long if you do have the money. This doesn't change if they marry someone in country or out of country. If they do marry someone from outside their country, they actually have the chance for a short cut to terminating the marriage. As long as the foreign spouse files for divorce. This is a benefit they would never get if they married another Philippines citizen. So you've actually taken a positive, and are saying its a negative. And believe me, Philippine marriages split up just as often as American marriages, they just rarely legally terminate the marriage. Since they can't legally marry again, they just start living with someone new and say they're married. They used to actually marry again, but now checking the national registry of marriages is required to get married.

Now here's a big advantage to the Philippine citizen when they come on a K-1. If they come on a K-1 and marry a UCS, they can skip reporting the marriage. Should the marriage end, they can divorce in the USA, and still have been considered unmarried the entire time in their own country. A CR-1 visa holder doesn't get that option. Such as the case with the OP here, she married in the Philippines, the marriage is recorded at the NSO (National Statistics Office). The K-1's marriage in the USA is only recorded by the NSO if the Philippine citizen reports the marriage through the consulate in charge of the area where the marriage took place.

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OK my bad I re-read an saw that, it does seem certain areas and

some visas are somewhat prone to abuses, maybe taking it thru

thorough exam is needed (all)...Well she did the sensible thing and

head home, cant or wont judge, but seem like older men (some) use

the system to garner a docile young lady, or one they can micro-manage

at times by what I've read here.