Father Disowns Homophobic Daughter in Epic Letter

[Peikko 1,575]

You keep wanting to fall back to a legal argument and I want you to take a stand on what is right and wrong.

Even when hiding behind the law you act as though we Americans are all in agreement, sorry States very wildly (as young as 13).

But this is not about the USA but on the matter universally heck even in Europe the age starts at 15.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age

Q: If you were king of the world, what age would you pronounce marriage and or sex to be too young?

I have already made it quite clear what I think about this subject. How did you miss it? The rest of your post is irrelevant because you missed the fact that I am not hiding my views on this issue.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I have already made it quite clear what I think about this subject. How did you miss it? The rest of your post is irrelevant because you missed the fact that I am not hiding my views on this issue.

He wasn't talking to you. Thanks for the answer anyway. Its all about the Truth

[Peikko 1,575]

He wasn't talking to you. Thanks for the answer anyway. Its all about the Truth

Oh, I'm sorry, he quoted my post, was discussing the issue we had both been referring to and yet you decide he wasn't talking to me? I see.

[Danno 1,228]

Wow you are a bit more of a puritan than I figured.

At least thats what one would conclude from your 18-20 age limit allowed for Marriage and sex.

<<<<<<< A 13 year old girl is not mature either sexually or emotionally. Our emotional development has been scientifically mapped and our ability to externalize concepts only really becomes fully developed around 18-20. >>>>>>>

[Peikko 1,575]

Wow you are a bit more of a puritan than I figured.

At least thats what one would conclude from your 18-20 age limit allowed for Marriage and sex.

<<<<<<< A 13 year old girl is not mature either sexually or emotionally. Our emotional development has been scientifically mapped and our ability to externalize concepts only really becomes fully developed around 18-20. >>>>>>>

Can you at least try to keep your own goalposts in the same spot. My post related to marriage between 13 year old girls and older men.

However, it's true that I do believe that the more emotionally mature you are when you start having sexual relationships the better those relationships will be and the more satisfied you will be with your life, your partners and your sexual relationships. I wouldn't mandate my opinion, but I will do all in my power to educate my child that so doing is in his best interests. Apparently that's not expected of an atheist?

[Danno 1,228]

Can you at least try to keep your own goalposts in the same spot. My post related to marriage between 13 year old girls and older men.

However, it's true that I do believe that the more emotionally mature you are when you start having sexual relationships the better those relationships will be and the more satisfied you will be with your life, your partners and your sexual relationships. I wouldn't mandate my opinion, but I will do all in my power to educate my child that so doing is in his best interests. Apparently that's not expected of an atheist?

I'm not sure why in every mini- conversation there is the need to bring your faith (or mine) into it?

I am simply trying to glean where you stand.

You seem to have an opinion on what works best but your intellect but would not want to push your child-bride opinions into law, is that correct?

Going back to the whole "nature will teach us what is wrong thing"

It would seem to me (and I bet many others) nature has prepared females for sex and marriage quite well by the age 15, even if society has not.

Sexual maturity is the age or stage when an organism can reproduce. It is sometimes considered synonymous withadulthood. In humans, the process of sexually maturing is termed puberty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_maturity

[Peikko 1,575]

I'm not sure why in every mini- conversation there is the need to bring your faith (or mine) into it?

I am simply trying to glean where you stand.

You seem to have an opinion on what works best but your intellect but would not want to push your child-bride opinions into law, is that correct?

Going back to the whole "nature will teach us what is wrong thing"

It would seem to me (and I bet many others) nature has prepared females for sex and marriage quite well by the age 15, even if society has not.

Sexual maturity is the age or stage when an organism can reproduce. It is sometimes considered synonymous withadulthood. In humans, the process of sexually maturing is termed puberty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_maturity

Danno, can you try to rephrase your question? I do not know what you are asking me.

I can't 'go back' the the whole 'nature will teach us what is wrong thing'. why? I haven't put forward that as a premise and I personally think it's bullshit to treat people as merely procreative vessels and base any law or recommendation as to what should be acceptable on such a bullshit viewpoint.

[Danno 1,228]

See! here is the problem. You are just like Democrats, only for different stuff. You have a belief that the government (King of the World in this case) NEEDS to be the one to pronounce what is right or wrong. I don't. You need to lose that basic premise before you can begin to understand where I take my positions. You just have different opinions of what rights the government should take away than Democrats do.

No, actually the problem is you assume way too much.

Me, asking a simple question of ...... if and where someone stands on an issue does not mean I even take a stand.

This is a reoccurring theme of yours when posting to people on the right or the left, you assume a bunch ####### and then run with it.

The other reoccurring theme is the "Flash-card" mentality of yours, your post above being a perfect example.

The topic is about larger social issues (Child brides) and you make a grand meaningless statement and then dodge to your adult children..... as if we are

discussing 19 year olds.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Oh, I'm sorry, he quoted my post, was discussing the issue we had both been referring to and yet you decide he wasn't talking to me? I see.

He said "King" Hint...King is masculine.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

No, actually the problem is you assume way too much.

Me, asking a simple question of ...... if and where someone stands on an issue does not mean I even take a stand.

This is a reoccurring theme of yours when posting to people on the right or the left, you assume a bunch ####### and then run with it.

The other reoccurring theme is the "Flash-card" mentality of yours, your post above being a perfect example.

The topic is about larger social issues (Child brides) and you make a grand meaningless statement and then dodge to your adult children..... as if we are

discussing 19 year olds.

I certainly am not in favor of child abuse, sexual or otherwise.

Other than the ability of homosexual adults to get married and enjoy the same rights and benefits as anyone else...what is it we disagree on? I get the feeling you are disagreeing with me on something we agree on because we do not agree on something else. Am I wrong?

At least you have the wherewithall to debate logically. I will give you that. I can be entertained and enjoy a lively debate with you which indicates a level of intelligence to meet the needs of a husband of an FSU woman. I can respect you for that.

I wish we could get James and Olya back. I disagree with him on some things also, but as he is married to a Russian he is pretty intelligent and thoughtful also.

[Peikko 1,575]

He said "King" Hint...King is masculine.

What are you on today Gary? Seriously, are you going to maintain that the post that quoted my post and addressed the conversation we were engaged in was not said to me? Do you never admit you made a mistake, even when it's 100% obvious to everyone that you did?

[Danno 1,228]

I wish we could get James and Olya back. I disagree with him on some things also, but as he is married to a Russian he is pretty intelligent and thoughtful also.

There was another guy on the russian Board who was Left-wing as heII but he was a great debater, I think he went by MOX, does that ring a bell?

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

Sorry to interrupt this entertaining discussion = If she's old enough to p!ss then isn't she old enough for this?

I'm just wondering if biology has any part in this conversation....perhaps ...brain development & reasoning capabilities...?

http://nancyguberti.com/5-stages-of-human-brain-development/

I like this part (of the article)=

"The prefrontal cortex is the last to mature and it involves the control of impulses and decision-making."

& this part =

"Therefore, teenagers need to learn to control reckless, irrational and irritable behavior."

& Also this part =

"Finally, the brain reaches its peak power around age 22."

Just sayin'...

[Danno 1,228]

Sorry to interrupt this entertaining discussion = If she's old enough to p!ss then isn't she old enough for this?

I'm just wondering if biology has any part in this conversation....perhaps ...brain development & reasoning capabilities...?

http://nancyguberti.com/5-stages-of-human-brain-development/

I like this part (of the article)=

"The prefrontal cortex is the last to mature and it involves the control of impulses and decision-making."

& this part =

"Therefore, teenagers need to learn to control reckless, irrational and irritable behavior."

& Also this part =

"Finally, the brain reaches its peak power around age 22."

Just sayin'...

IS this why in almost all of these cultures, the family is involved making the decisions?

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

IS this why in almost all of these cultures, the family is involved making the decisions?

(shrug) IDK (I will give it some thought, but for now) -

My point = Children should be protected until they are able to protect themselves.