Father Disowns Homophobic Daughter in Epic Letter

[Peikko 1,575]

-Ok so you dodged on citing the doctrine you keep referring to.

-Despite your insistence, thoughts are not equal to actions.

-SInce there is no such thing as sin what is it when a man is having sex with a child?

Danno, once again I am not your religious leader, I can't help you with your doctrine, but suffice to say your religion does indeed conclude that thoughts and deeds can be equally sinful. You can argue the toss about whether or not that should be the case with your religious leader, that's what he's there for. Go get educated about your own religion and then you might be able to advance an argument that is not as full of holes as a Swiss cheese.

As to your spurious question I call it WRONG.

Do you really think that it is not possible to have a moral framework to guide oneself in life without the need to 'invent' a notion of sin? Seriously Danno, it's not that hard to understand that there are actions that one takes that have consequences that effect other people and sometimes those consequences are unacceptable. If an adult has sex with a child it is inevitable that the child has not consented to that act. Depending on the age and the emotional development of the child there are many undesirable consequences of such acts, from specifically physical harm through to emotional harm. A child does not have the development or understanding to consent to sex with an adult. It's really not hard to see why that's wrong and harmful.

Edited October 4, 2013 by The Truth™

[Peikko 1,575]

A man having sex with a child would be something harmful to the child. A man having consensual sex with another man isn't harmful to anyone. The child's right not to be raped should be protected, and the man's right to choose his sex partner should also be protected. People's rights not to be beaten up, raped, and stolen from should also be protected. Sin has nothing to do with it.

Exactly. Apparently there are still people who do not really understand why things are wright or wrong but only do them, or do not do them based on whether someone else has labelled them a sin or not .That's morally bancrupt, not to say extremely lazy.

[Danno 1,228]

Danno, once again I am not your religious leader, I can't help you with your doctrine, but suffice to say your religion does indeed conclude that thoughts and deeds can be equally sinful. You can argue the toss about whether or not that should be the case with your religious leader, that's what he's there for. Go get educated about your own religion and then you might be able to advance an argument that is not as full of holes as a Swiss cheese.

As to your spurious question I call it WRONG.

Do you really think that it is not possible to have a moral framework to guide oneself in life without the need to 'invent' a notion of sin? Seriously Danno, it's not that hard to understand that there are actions that one takes that have consequences that effect other people and sometimes those consequences are unacceptable. If an adult has sex with a child it is inevitable that the child has not consented to that act. Depending on the age and the emotional development of the child there are many undesirable consequences of such acts, from specifically physical harm through to emotional harm. A child does not have the development or understanding to consent to sex with an adult. It's really not hard to see why that's wrong and harmful.

-You, you, you came here quoting Doctrine, I ask- "Where did you get that from"

Your reply "Go ask someone from church".

Well ok, but they are not the one making the claims, you are.

So child sex is wrong, who decides what is wrong?

Edited October 4, 2013 by Danno

[spookyturtle 9,466]

A homophobic thread and Danno has the most replies. What a surprise.

[Peikko 1,575]

-You, you, you came here quoting Doctrine, I ask- "Where did you get that from"

Your reply "Go ask someone from church".

Well ok, but they are not the one making the claims, you are.

So child sex is wrong, who decides what is wrong?

Danno, that's the point, if you are in any way affiliated to a christian church that is exactly what your church claims, and moreover they will emphasis it in every single mass you attend. Of course you could be a member of some cockeyed sect, then goodness knows what you may or may be required to believe. It is patently NOT my claim because as I have explained, sin is not a concept that I recognise or act upon.

As to who decides what is wrong? We all get to decide that Danno, that's what free will is. I have free will because I don't believe there is an outside force that can govern my will and actions, you have free will because, allegedly your omniscient father granted it to you. However, we are all governed by laws of consent. We consent to obey laws that are in the universal good. It makes sense to do so and of course breaking these laws has consequences. More to the point Danno, the laws of the US are not religous laws but civil ones and they are run by a civil organisation not your or anyone else's church. Therefore, if we, the people decide to allow homosexual acts to be legal, to allow homosexual marriages to take place and allow people to run their lives in a mutually consensual way, we can do so. Isn't that brilliant?

[Danno 1,228]

Therefore, if we, the people decide to allow homosexual acts to be legal, to allow homosexual marriages to take place and allow people to run their lives in a mutually consensual way, we can do so. Isn't that brilliant?

At's what I thought you would say.

We will collectively decide what is right and what is wrong.

[duraaraa 203]

who decides what is wrong?

Wrong is just a convenient word, to me, to say 'harmful.' Something that causes damage. Such things are easily seen by humans in nature, without any need for supernatural intervention.

Ironically, we have skewed the natural definition of wrong and right, to the point where it's perfectly fine, even admirable to kill someone -- so long as that someone is from an opposing country/group/religion.

I would way rather have there be a gay orgy on every street corner than people killing each other because they worship the wrong gods.

Edited October 5, 2013 by duraaraa

[Danno 1,228]

Wrong is just a convenient word, to me, to say 'harmful.' Something that causes damage. Such things are easily seen by humans in nature, without any need for supernatural intervention.

Ironically, we have skewed the natural definition of wrong and right, to the point where it's perfectly fine, even admirable to kill someone -- so long as that someone is from an opposing country/group/religion.

I would way rather have there be a gay orgy on every street corner than people killing each other because they worship the wrong gods.

Are you passing judgment on different cultures?

Who was harmed in this relationship?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Are you passing judgment on different cultures?

Who was harmed in this relationship?

looks like they are using the right brand of Ketchup..So no one

[duraaraa 203]

Are you passing judgment on different cultures?

Who was harmed in this relationship?

How do I know? I know nothing about their relationship. Based on the evidence presented, I'm going to go with the ketchup-related answer.

Edited October 5, 2013 by duraaraa

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

Think some might find this quick read worth a few minutes...,

http://news.yahoo.com/u-catholics-back-pope-francis-changing-churchs-focus-100249104.html

[Danno 1,228]

How do I know? I know nothing about their relationship. Based on the evidence presented, I'm going to go with the ketchup-related answer.

Well it would seem marriage to 13 year old girls would pass the test or natures bar

you set up.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/father-disowns-homophobic-daughter-in-epic-letter-230436549.html

Today in awesome parenting news: A father, who learned that his daughter disowned his grandson because he was gay, responded in the most amazing way.

Dear Christine,

I’m disappointed in you as a daughter. You’re correct that we have a “shame in the family”, but mistaken about what it is. Kicking Chad out of your home simply because he told you he was gay is the real “abomination” here. A parent disowning her child is what goes “against nature.” The only intelligent thing I heard you saying in all this was that “you didn’t raise your son to be gay." Of course you didn’t. He was born this way and didn’t chase it any more than he being left-handed. You however, have made a choice of being hurtful, narrow-minded and backward. So, while we are in the business of disowning our children, I think I’ll take this moment to say goodbye to you. I now have a fabulous (as the gays put it) grandson to raise, and I don’t have time for heart-less B-word of a daughter. If you find your heart, give us a call. – Dad.

This is worth 2 snaps around the world.

I supprt everyone's rights. which means I support Chad's right to be Gay, get married to another man AND carry a concealed handgun AND adopt children AND decide what school to send them to AND decide which school gets their tax dollars.. I do not pick and choose which rights I "like" because I do or do not use them myself. I do not work to take away rights of other people that I do not "like" or use myself.

This means I support the woman's right to disown her son and the Grandfather's right to disown his daughter for being homophobic. I do not have to agree with one or the other...or either. I just need to respect their rights. My opinion of either of them is irrelevent so I will not offer it here.

People, all people, need to understand that there are dickheads in the world. Ignorant, pea brained morons and some of them have nothing better to do than attack your rights. If you are a gun owner, some dork is trying to take that right away from you...maybe your sister or mother. If you are Gay, some people will hate you for it, it could be your mother or a "friend", It could be a religious guy who wants his religion protected, but not an Gay/Lesbians rights protected and may even not care if another person's religion is protected. Yeah, there are some reall @ssholes and they walk among us. Such is life. All you can do is stand up for your rights, never compromise them away, and try not to attack other people for their choices and beliefs.

I hope they are all happy with their lives and their decisions. That's all that really matters.

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

I supprt everyone's rights. which means I support Chad's right to be Gay, get married to another man AND carry a concealed handgun AND adopt children AND decide what school to send them to AND decide which school gets their tax dollars.. I do not pick and choose which rights I "like" because I do or do not use them myself. I do not work to take away rights of other people that I do not "like" or use myself.

This means I support the woman's right to disown her son and the Grandfather's right to disown his daughter for being homophobic. I do not have to agree with one or the other...or either. I just need to respect their rights. My opinion of either of them is irrelevent so I will not offer it here.

People, all people, need to understand that there are dickheads in the world. Ignorant, pea brained morons and some of them have nothing better to do than attack your rights. If you are a gun owner, some dork is trying to take that right away from you...maybe your sister or mother. If you are Gay, some people will hate you for it, it could be your mother or a "friend", It could be a religious guy who wants his religion protected, but not an Gay/Lesbians rights protected and may even not care if another person's religion is protected. Yeah, there are some reall @ssholes and they walk among us. Such is life. All you can do is stand up for your rights, never compromise them away, and try not to attack other people for their choices and beliefs.

I hope they are all happy with their lives and their decisions. That's all that really matters.

Goddamnit Gary - Your moments of clarity are ...confusing... but still - that post qualifies for a in my book.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

-You, you, you came here quoting Doctrine, I ask- "Where did you get that from"

Your reply "Go ask someone from church".

Well ok, but they are not the one making the claims, you are.

So child sex is wrong, who decides what is wrong?

Society did. I am not making issues with child sex laws or child pornography and no one is discussing that anyway. It seems as though no one can discuss the topic of homosexuality (or sexuality for that matter) without it going directly to children. Pedophiles are not the same as homosexuals. This is the same as the anti-gun people who immediately ask why I do not support the concealed carry of thermo-nuclear devices or backyard swimming pool aircraft carriers. They cannot discuss it logically. I have given up on that effort. (the other is to immediately reference the size of one's #######, which may a bit homophobic,)

Anyway...if you believe in God (I think yes, you do) and if you believe God created man and woman...then you have to ask yourself why women...females..become reproductively capable at age 10-12 in most cases and why their egg prodcution drops drastically after age 30. I mean, physiologically they are at their peak for childbirth in those years but age 16 and over may be better simply because they have gained their mature body size.

Our society has produced young people that are not capable of surviving on their own at that age, so we protect them by establishing ages which are little more than arbitrary to be "adults". In some states that is 16 years of age and others it is 18. In some states it is 16 for some things and 18 for others. But it has nothing to do with homosexuality. seems ridiculous to say a girl can drive an automobile and not have sex. She is smart enough and responsible enough to aim a 3 ton missle around town on public streets where children play...but not responsible enough to decide who she wants to have sex with and use a condom?

I know the Rusian government is particularly anti-gay but I have never noticed any huge amount of gay bashing among people who are educated in the FSU. Of course opinions among drop out Gopnicki and the Orthodox "believers" who consider themselves "Christians" and other religions something else...there is a religious repulsion to it. The government mainly wants control. But, Danno, seriously, did you ever notice the rampant bi-sexuality of the women? Are you blind and deaf? Maybe not your wife, but Dude, ask her...she never noticed? C'mon! When 56% of the women have a choice of masturbation, bisexual sex or sex with drunk abusive (and I MEAN drunk and abusive) men, what do you think a lot of them do? I mean at least sometimes. They generally seem pretty laissez-faire about the whole thing.

It just is not a common attitude for people married to FSU women, Danno, but there are a lot of religious women in Russia and maybe that is what you sought out (why not?) I had a very good female friend who I had a lot of fun and good conversations with, but she was very Orthodox and there was going to be NO SEX!!!!!!!! so it was just that...a friendship. But other than that, it is just not an issue for most because it would be ...um...hypocritical. Even Bad_Daddy (Kip) thought two girls was hot!

Just sayin', you are kind of an anomoly. But hey, to each their own.

It is just funny to me that in this day when a lot of people do not know their next door neighbors, do not care about them and would not know them if they saw them in the grocery store...somehow what they do in their bedroom can affect someone else's marriage. Wacky, just wacky