Father Disowns Homophobic Daughter in Epic Letter

[duraaraa 203]

In my eyes, gays are probably less sinful than most straight couples. They don't contribute to overpopulation as much, but they adopt kids who otherwise wouldn't have anyone taking care of them -- how can you get more saintly than that?

What would you suggest be done about hermaphrodites? They're born in a weird inter-gender limbo, and until they are old enough to have sexual feelings, there's no way of knowing which sex will attract them. I saw a documentary about this, and found it to be the most logical argument for gay marriage, because a hermaphrodite's parents chooses their child's legal gender. If a hermaphrodite can marry either sex, why shouldn't a non-hermaphrodite?

[Peikko 1,575]

The Pope spoke out about a celibate Priest who was not practicing the acts of Homosexuality.

Not sure if you got confused by headlines.

Having homosexual, adulteress or other type desires is not considered sinful, acting on them was and still is.

The Pope can no more change this (if he wanted to) than Obama could amend the constitution.

Since when? It clearly states that it's not just the actions but the thoughts that are sinful. Not sure where you learned your dogma, but you didn't learn it very well. Mind you, you say you are a christian but you don't actually bother with church and presumably not bible study either judging by your lack or accuracy.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I'm gonna play the Marvin card = Gay Hate Ain't Christianity!!!

Unfortunately - Until the overwhelming majority of protestant leadership follows the (current) Pope's lead & speaks out in favor of tolerance / acceptance - Gay Hate IS Christianity.

Just like Islam is a (2013) killing machine.

"Perception is reality"

I will go out on a limb here, but i am pretty sure Marvin is not gay

P.S. Jimmy Carter lusted in his heart and knew it was a sin. He is a Sunday School teacher he should know

He even said so in Playboy. Glad he did cause my dad bought it and I snuck it out.

Thank you jimmy for the Porn.

Edited October 4, 2013 by The conciliator

[Danno 1,228]

Since when? It clearly states that it's not just the actions but the thoughts that are sinful. Not sure where you learned your dogma, but you didn't learn it very well. Mind you, you say you are a christian but you don't actually bother with church and presumably not bible study either judging by your lack or accuracy.

Thanks for your interest in the topic.

If I may challenge you? You made some assumptions about me (but you are not the first).

Simple thoughts are not sinful. SAtan tempted Christ in the desert and the Bible teaches, he "sinned not."

Of course Scripture does teach "lust" is a sin.

BUt the discussion was not about me but What the Pope said, what he meant, and What the doctrine of the Catholic church is.

I will go out on a limb here, but i am pretty sure Marvin is not gay

P.S. Jimmy Carter lusted in his heart and knew it was a sin. He is a Sunday School teacher he should know

He even said so in Playboy. Glad he did cause my dad bought it and I snuck it out.

Thank you jimmy for the Porn.

If he was, what do you think his nickname would be>?

A: Marvin Gay.

Edited October 4, 2013 by Danno

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

1) BUt the discussion was not about me but What the Pope said, what he meant, and What the doctrine of the Catholic church is.

2) If he was, what do you think his nickname would be>?

A: Marvin Gay.

1) That's the direction you want to take the discussion. I didn't bring up Doctrine. My statement was limited to = I'm predicting a trend or change in attitude based on his comments = Gay Tolerance / Acceptance. His comments are pretty clear.

2) That was corny but still made me chuckle.

[Peikko 1,575]

Thanks for your interest in the topic.

If I may challenge you? You made some assumptions about me (but you are not the first).

Simple thoughts are not sinful. SAtan tempted Christ in the desert and the Bible teaches, he "sinned not."

Of course Scripture does teach "lust" is a sin.

Do you just make it up as you go along Danno? I think you might be better to take a refresher course. I haven't been to church for 30 years but who could forget the Confiteor? Well, clearly you can.

Edited October 4, 2013 by The Truth™

[Danno 1,228]

1) That's the direction you want to take the discussion. I didn't bring up Doctrine. My statement was limited to = I'm predicting a trend or change in attitude based on his comments = Gay Tolerance / Acceptance. His comments are pretty clear.

Lets look at what you did say and where I misunderstood you.

<<<Unfortunately - Until the overwhelming majority of protestant leadership follows the (current) Pope's lead & speaks out in favor of tolerance / acceptance - Gay Hate IS Christianity.>>>

Many Protestant Leaders welcome gays just like anyone who want to come and learn or take the step and become a follower of Christ.

In fact I would say most leaders and churches are that way.

The chaos comes from those who want Churches to conform to the trend of the moment .....and accept Homosexuality as Gods plan for natural relations.

The Church can no more dismiss this sin than it could dismiss lightly, Adultery.

Do you know of any church which celebrates Adultery? I mean even if they don't mention it much they certainly do not put up flags and banners encouraging people to -Come as you are.... and stay that way.

Now there are some Churches that have embraced homosexuality as normal and healthy, but if you look, those denominations are withering.

Where we see growth in the church is among the fundamentalists. Even in the Catholic church, the excitement is in the traditional Catholic crowds.

So if you are hoping all Churches would be more like say the Episcopalians..... you wish a death sentence on them.

NOw I expect more churches will go down this path, but when the celebrations over tolerance is over and their kids which are raised there come of age....... take note of the empty pews.

Edited October 4, 2013 by Danno

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

NOw I expect more churches will go down this path, but when the celebrations over tolerance is over and their kids which are raised there come of age....... take note of the empty pews.

Now ..this is intriguing....expound please. (I'm not being sarcastic or baiting)

[Danno 1,228]

Do you just make it up as you go along Danno? I think you might be better to take a refresher course. I haven't been to church for 30 years but who could forget the Confiteor? Well, clearly you can.

First let me thank you for introducing me to a new word.

Confiteor |känˈfitēˌôr|nouna form of prayer confessing sins, used in the Roman Catholic Mass andsome other sacraments.ORIGIN Middle English: Latin, literally ‘I confess,’ from the formulaConfiteor Deo Omnipotenti ‘I confess to Almighty God.’

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Apparently some assume My Catholic Background to be more than is it.

I often make comments pertaining to the Church of Rome because it would seem no faithful catholics are here at the board willing to do so....

and I suppose the luke-warm one forget the vow they made at Conformation. One would suppose also they forgot the words of Christ who plainly said in Luke chapter 10

32Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

If I did not address the subject you were aiming for, let me know.

[Danno 1,228]

Now ..this is intriguing....expound please. (I'm not being sarcastic or baiting)

I guess there are two parts,

1. The decline of Churches which leave tradition. No greater example can be given than the Catholic Church in America. The Catholic Church made huge changes mid 60s (second vatican council) and it merged into a Protestant/ liberal conclave.

Everyone left. Methodist Episcopalian, Luthern, you name it, they all Shrank while Churches which resembled their beginnings years grew.

The decline doesn't happen over night just like when you cut a flower off from it's roots it still looks whole and alive, but each generation has less to hand off to there children as they sputter along on traditions rather than thrive from a living experience.

2. We are now completely in a Post-Christian era. Everything will and must change and this applies to the Church also.

For the sake of money alone Churches will evolve into what is necessary to comply, yet there will be faithful churches, who will not sell their soul for a tax deduction status and be willing to do what it takes to continue on trying to dodge persecution. In many ways it will be an exciting time.

Any clear thinking Atheist can see this coming... it certainly need no prophet.

[Niblet 22]

The bible was not meant to be followed. It was meant to be thumped and brandished by the unaware at everything and everyone that reminds them of their miserable existence - an art mastered by the alleged christians of our nation...

And this people, is why our great nation is alllll F^%$ed up!

[Peikko 1,575]

First let me thank you for introducing me to a new word.

Confiteor |känˈfitēˌôr|nouna form of prayer confessing sins, used in the Roman Catholic Mass andsome other sacraments.ORIGIN Middle English: Latin, literally ‘I confess,’ from the formulaConfiteor Deo Omnipotenti ‘I confess to Almighty God.’

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Apparently some assume My Catholic Background to be more than is it.

I often make comments pertaining to the Church of Rome because it would seem no faithful catholics are here at the board willing to do so....

and I suppose the luke-warm one forget the vow they made at Conformation. One would suppose also they forgot the words of Christ who plainly said in Luke chapter 10

32Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

If I did not address the subject you were aiming for, let me know.

Danno, you said that only if a person committed a sinful act were you committing a sin but that's not the credo of christianity at all, you made that up for the purpose of your argument. The sins, and there are obviously 10 mortal sins that everyone knows plus all the 'mini sins' that everyone forgets about, those can be committed not only be deed but by thought as per, forgive me father for I have sinned, in thought, word and deed. How can you so blithely ignore this, regardless of what version of christianity you presume to belong to?

[Danno 1,228]

Danno, you said that only if a person committed a sinful act were you committing a sin but that's not the credo of christianity at all, you made that up for the purpose of your argument. The sins, and there are obviously 10 mortal sins that everyone knows plus all the 'mini sins' that everyone forgets about, those can be committed not only be deed but by thought as per, forgive me father for I have sinned, in thought, word and deed. How can you so blithely ignore this, regardless of what version of christianity you presume to belong to?

I think if you look into it you will find a simple thought is not a sin, or should I say always a sin.

That concept is not compatible with so much scripture.

If you should get clarity, let me know so that my understanding will be more learned.

[Peikko 1,575]

I think if you look into it you will find a simple thought is not a sin, or should I say always a sin.

That concept is not compatible with so much scripture.

If you should get clarity, let me know so that my understanding will be more learned.

What do you mean a 'simple thought'? Either you are thinking about something that is sinful, which makes that thought itself sinful or you are not. If, for the sake of example you imagine yourself having sex with a married woman, you are as guilty of that sin as if you actually committed the act, that's what 'in thought' means. You can also commit a sin by talking about it to someone else and of course the final form of sinning is to perform the act. What more clarity do you need? This is the credo you purport to believe and yet somehow you have decided that if an abstinent priest thinks about committing a homosexual or heterosexual act he is not sinning. Sorry Danno, according to your own beliefs, he is, he is committing that sin 'in thought'.

What's more, in christian doctrine, the thought is 'as bad as' the deed, This is basic stuff Danno, how did you manage not to learn it?

[Danno 1,228]

What do you mean a 'simple thought'? Either you are thinking about something that is sinful, which makes that thought itself sinful or you are not. If, for the sake of example you imagine yourself having sex with a married woman, you are as guilty of that sin as if you actually committed the act, that's what 'in thought' means. You can also commit a sin by talking about it to someone else and of course the final form of sinning is to perform the act. What more clarity do you need? This is the credo you purport to believe and yet somehow you have decided that if an abstinent priest thinks about committing a homosexual or heterosexual act he is not sinning. Sorry Danno, according to your own beliefs, he is, he is committing that sin 'in thought'.

What's more, in christian doctrine, the thought is 'as bad as' the deed, This is basic stuff Danno, how did you manage not to learn it?

Not that I doubt your opinion and all but I thought maybe you had some actual references to Great Christian thinkers who have shaped doctrine or perhaps a teaching from rome (of which there are many and in great detail).

BUt apparently you saying "it is so" in fact make it.