Paying for Obamacare

[BatmanUSA 105]

So I can get government supported insurance, which you will pay for with your taxes, and that is ok......but if I do not get insurance, and go to the ER for treatment, your taxes will still pay for this, . but you say that this is not ok...

Please explain the difference.

[BatmanUSA 105]

Refusing to get insurance and going to the emergency room and making me pay for your bad choices is not an Obama policy. Believe it or not.

true, it is not an Obama policy... but this is the current common accepted way that people receive their healthcare...

So I ask, who has an extra 600 bucks a month to buy an insurance policy and then wait 12 months for tax time to report those costs and wait for a refund.?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Refusing to get insurance and going to the emergency room and making me pay for your bad choices is not an Obama policy. Believe it or not.

Do not confuse the losers with facts. They can't handle it.

So I can get government supported insurance, which you will pay for with your taxes, and that is ok......but if I do not get insurance, and go to the ER for treatment, your taxes will still pay for this, . but you say that this is not ok...

Please explain the difference.

Personal responsibility vs. deadbeat. You appear to lean towards the latter. I prefer the former.

[BatmanUSA 105]

I also prefer and believe in personal responsibility/ However, the democratic party and President Obama have made/increased policies which make it easier to choose the latter..I agree with you and I prefer that people choose the former and accept personal responsibility..

However, the facts do promote that the current president continues his non-stop media campaign of telling people how to obtain "free goodies", from the government..

and when you do the math, as previously suggested. one would do fairly well by applying for and receiving those benefits... and it is all legal.!

So again, why insult someone, and call them a deadbeat, when in fact they have the intelligence to take full advantage of every socialistic program offered by Obama and the Democratic party..?? They are not deadbeats, lemmings maybe, because the government says they will take care of us, and some people believe it, and they receive all the benefits they are entitled to..

[Niblet 22]

I also prefer and believe in personal responsibility/ However, the democratic party and President Obama have made/increased policies which make it easier to choose the latter..I agree with you and I prefer that people choose the former and accept personal responsibility..

However, the facts do promote that the current president continues his non-stop media campaign of telling people how to obtain "free goodies", from the government..

and when you do the math, as previously suggested. one would do fairly well by applying for and receiving those benefits... and it is all legal.!

So again, why insult someone, and call them a deadbeat, when in fact they have the intelligence to take full advantage of every socialistic program offered by Obama and the Democratic party..?? They are not deadbeats, lemmings maybe, because the government says they will take care of us, and some people believe it, and they receive all the benefits they are entitled to..

you go Batman! the Libs are not sure what to make of your common sense LOL!!

[Umka36 781]

Common sense says that this is unsustainable, and nothing is ever free. I don't get the whole entitlement attitude.

[Niblet 22]

They dont use common sense,,they like to use "facts" and "logic"

[Umka36 781]

Fact is nothing is ever free, so when the money runs dry what then? I guess it does not matter to you that the US continues to go down the drain.

[BatmanUSA 105]

It is sustainable but it is not free.. That's why the legislation (Obamacare) will tax medicial supplies/equipment and drug makers....and they will tax everyone who does not have health insurance.... but where will that money go.??

[Umka36 781]

Who knows where the money goes to ultimately. The government seems to always divert it else where instead of where it was intended for. A good example is Social Security, which I don't expect to get much/anything from when I finally retire.

[B_J 2,752]

So I can get government supported insurance, which you will pay for with your taxes, and that is ok......but if I do not get insurance, and go to the ER for treatment, your taxes will still pay for this, . but you say that this is not ok...

Please explain the difference.

That's actually a good question. Not necessarily the what is ok or not ok; but rather if it will save money for most of us in the long run.

Right now, a person who can't afford insurance goes to the emergency room for treatment and the cost is just passed along to the rest of us. With ACA, a person who can't afford insurance will receive assistance that is funded by the rest of us. It seems that, either way, we end up paying for that person's medical coverage.

Where does the saving for the average person come from? Is it because hopefully the person will choose different medical options rather than going to the emergency room?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

That's actually a good question. Not necessarily the what is ok or not ok; but rather if it will save money for most of us in the long run.

Right now, a person who can't afford insurance goes to the emergency room for treatment and the cost is just passed along to the rest of us. With ACA, a person who can't afford insurance will receive assistance that is funded by the rest of us. It seems that, either way, we end up paying for that person's medical coverage.

Where does the saving for the average person come from? Is it because hopefully the person will choose different medical options rather than going to the emergency room?

The savings comes from the fact that a visit to the doctor's office costs $100.00. A visit to the ER costs $1,000.00.

[B_J 2,752]

The savings comes from the fact that a visit to the doctor's office costs $100.00. A visit to the ER costs $1,000.00.

[mota bhai 2,675]

The ER is the most expensive point of delivery in the healthcare delivery system.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

And Batman, you did ask a good question as to who will manage the cashflow problem. I can't believe that the gov would make people spend more than they can afford and then pay them back later, so it leads me to believe that the "subsidy" is immediate and the insurance company is the one that deals with the cashflow issue.

Hopefully everyone will know exactly how it works very soon.

Edited October 3, 2013 by Harpa Timsah