IT'S OFFICIAL: The Government Has Shut Down, And Here's The GOP's Next Move

[Penny Lane 8,159]

"What could be more reasonable than losing an election by 5 million votes then demanding the president to govern as they would, or else shut the government down and not pay our bills?"

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

The gov is LOSING money by keeping those things closed, not gaining money. Those parks and zoos are businesses that make money from visitors.

Even if it did lose money, I find it odd that important symbols of this great nation are relegated in your or other republicans mind as a frivolous thing. I actually believe that national parks are vital to the health of the country, a symbol of national pride, something to fight for and share. Either way, those things being closed hurts the economy. Not only because of the fees, but also the gas people buy to drive to them, their eating at restaurants on the way there, etc.

I just got back from DC and visited many of the parks and monuments..Never paid a dime

I wonder where all that profit you speak of comes from

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

I just got back from DC and visited many of the parks and monuments..Never paid a dime

I wonder where all that profit you speak of comes from

They are not all free, sillykins.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

"What could be more reasonable than losing an election by 5 million votes then demanding the president to govern as they would, or else shut the government down and not pay our bills?"

Or voting a majority into congress and the President refusing to work with that majority

Its called compromise

He is not a dictator

There are 3 branches of govt

You drank the how dare they not do my bidding kool aid

[RGinWA 816]

I just got back from DC and visited many of the parks and monuments..Never paid a dime

I wonder where all that profit you speak of comes from

You didn't eat or sleep there?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

You didn't eat or sleep there?

Aren't those privately owned concessions? I wonder if they are still open.

[Karee 4,191]

If the US had done austerity, we'd be in the shithole Europe is in now. Fortunately we're doing a bit better than that. To do it it required some borrowing (from ourselves, I might add. This money is borrowed by and large from ourselves). The majority of the debt comes from Republican spending. So even with that, there is a plan to reduce the debt. If you remember, Clinton balanced the budget and made a surplus. GW did not.

So anyway, the debt attributed to Obama was to keep this country going, which is much more important and better than austerity. There is and should be a plan to pay it back, but not at a time when doing so would harm the economy. Once the economy is doing better (and it is vastly improving) then that is a good time to settle it. It won't be fast, though. That Reagan and Bush debt is really big.

To cut off vital symbols of our nation, of freedom and democracy, to cut off people from the land, from this nation's history, from their own heritage, to temporarily save a dollar? No, I am not for that.

You seem to have me confused with another member here. I thought Bush jr. was probably the 2nd worst president in mordern times behind Carter. Not sure what makes you think I'm some sort of shill for the Republiucans. I'm not.

But since you're into blaming things on past administrations, look up the total debt in 8 years for Reagan and compare it to Obama. When you're finished with that, go look up the total debt for Bush jr. and compare it to Obama. Mr. BD will be along shortly to try and confuse the issue with with B.S. about how Obama wasn't responsible for FY2009 or some other such thing, so I'll go ahead and just concede that point and save him the keystokes. When is a good time to pay it back? When will it not hurt re-election chances ( I mean the economy)?

Obama isn't doing this country any fiscal favors, although he's turned out to be a pretty good foreign policy president. I think YOU need to stop being a some kind of blind Democrat supporter.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

I just got back from DC and visited many of the parks and monuments..Never paid a dime

I wonder where all that profit you speak of comes from

Do you know how tourism works?

Or voting a majority into congress and the President refusing to work with that majority

Its called compromise

He is not a dictator

There are 3 branches of govt

You drank the how dare they not do my bidding kool aid

Yes, clearly it's the President refusing to work with anyone. That's obviously what's happening.

"Hey, somebody disagrees with me about what's going on. I must tell them they drank some kind of kool aid and imply they don't think for themselves!" Letter for that?

Edited October 2, 2013 by Penny Lane

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Do you know how tourism works?

I do, and the new generation of tourists - the ones that take the bicycle tours - do little for the local economy and piss off the tourists that do contribute to the local economy. However, a few overpriced delicatessens do little for the locals looking for a place to get a quick something to eat or drink.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

You seem to have me confused with another member here. I thought Bush jr. was probably the 2nd worst president in mordern times behind Carter. Not sure what makes you think I'm some sort of shill for the Republiucans. I'm not.

But since you're into blaming things on past administrations, look up the total debt in 8 years for Reagan and compare it to Obama. When you're finished with that, go look up the total debt for Bush jr. and compare it to Obama. Mr. BD will be along shortly to try and confuse the issue with with B.S. about how Obama wasn't responsible for FY2009 or some other such thing, so I'll go ahead and just concede that point and save him the keystokes. When is a good time to pay it back? When will it not hurt re-election chances ( I mean the economy)?

Obama isn't doing this country any fiscal favors, although he's turned out to be a pretty good foreign policy president. I think YOU need to stop being a some kind of blind Democrat supporter.

No, I don't know who you are or what you believe. So all right. But you are arguing a very typical Republican, anti-spending, anti-government, austerity point of view. If you have non-republican views on other things, then cool.

Obama has done a lot of fiscal favors. He saved us from a depression and got us out of a recession. Pretty quick too, I might add.

Edited October 2, 2013 by Harpa Timsah

[RGinWA 816]

No, I don't know who you are or what you believe. So all right. But you are arguing a very typical Republican, anti-spending, anti-government, austerity point of view. If you have non-republican views on other things, then cool.

Obama has done a lot of fiscal favors. He saved us from a depression and got us out of a recession. Pretty quick too, I might add.

There is no credit for that. It's microwave economics they want.

If its not fixed immediately then its a total failure.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

You didn't eat or sleep there?

well actually I did eat at the smithsonian

Hardly enough to fund the place

The point is National Parks do not turn profits no matter which side of this debate you are on. ( in most cases)

Edited October 2, 2013 by The conciliator

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Putting the dirt back in the hole you dug is the least that is expected. When the economy actually starts growing at historic rates, then Obama can claim victory.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Yeah, why make anything if you can't get it all back.

Brilliant accounting.

So must I now resign from my job because my last paycheck was not enough to pay off my mortgage?

[Karee 4,191]

Putting the dirt back in the hole you dug is the least that is expected. When the economy actually starts growing at historic rates, then Obama can claim victory.