Family feud ends in tragedy as 'daughter and husband break into parents home and shoot mother and brother dead before father kills them'

[himher 634]

Cherry-picked facts do not make for a meaningful discussion.

The offer stands. Go for it.

[himher 634]

When you hand pick the parts of the equation you want to use to make the numbers work for you, that pretty much throws logic and reasoning out the window. I'm sure the EU countries have a certain percentage of their population that commit more crime than the others, did you remember to remove the "bad apples" out of the EU stats that you used?

You're hearing crickets because you can't just remove one part of the equation to tip the numbers in your favor and expect anyone to take you seriously.

You are welcome to bring some facts, not made up facts or imaginary facts like bigdog, and make your own points.

I am very sure that the EU countries do have their own parts of the population that commit more crimes than others. There are also a lot of different groups represented in the referenced 86.9% - some are better and some are worse - but no group in any civilized nation on the planet falls to the level of the 13.1%.

Referencing their values and their choices and applying it to the rest of us might be a fine discussion among liberals at their cocktail parties but it isn't going to work out at all for you anywhere else.

[himher 634]

Cherry-picked facts do not make for a meaningful discussion.

Like your gun ownership numbers? (May they rest in peace)

[himher 634]

No matter what common sense says...DON'T TOUCH OUR FIREARMS!

Jesus, the seething fear by some firearm owners is nonsensical.

Register voters with ID's...because obviously they are dangerous.

Seething fear? LOL. E-smacking libs around when their e-mouth gets out of line isn't seething fear. It isn't even personal.

Nobody needs to tell you 'don't touch our firearms'. You libs don't have the capability or will to prosecute people who come in, fill out a form, and sign a confession that is read to the FBI by the guy behind the counter at a gun store that they are illegally buying a firearm. Knowing that - you already know that you are incapable of controlling or touching or legislating away hundreds of millions of legally owned guns to "solve" problems that tens of millions of legal gun-owners did not create nor are responsible for.

We do like to (in idle fun) rub your little lib e-noses in it and remind you of that from time to time. Especially when your lib legislators misread the polls (like they did in Colorado) and pass stupid laws about it

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[Teddy B 17,252]

You are welcome to bring some facts, not made up facts or imaginary facts like bigdog, and make your own points.

I am very sure that the EU countries do have their own parts of the population that commit more crimes than others. There are also a lot of different groups represented in the referenced 86.9% - some are better and some are worse - but no group in any civilized nation on the planet falls to the level of the 13.1%.

Referencing their values and their choices and applying it to the rest of us might be a fine discussion among liberals at their cocktail parties but it isn't going to work out at all for you anywhere else.

I'm not sure what type of rebuttal you're looking for. Your numbers are purposely skewed in your favor to attempt to make the point that you want to make. That's not logical or reasonable.

We each have a bag of apples, each bag has a percentage of rotten apples. I'm going to remove my percentage of rotten apples and then compare my bag of good apples to your bag of apples that still contains the rotten ones. Yep, makes perfect sense to me.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I'm not sure what type of rebuttal you're looking for. Your numbers are purposely skewed in your favor to attempt to make the point that you want to make. That's not logical or reasonable.

We each have a bag of apples, each bag has a percentage of rotten apples. I'm going to remove my percentage of rotten apples and then compare my bag of good apples to your bag of apples that still contains the rotten ones. Yep, makes perfect sense to me.

No to you but to the gun aficionados that makes perfect sense. It's the only way in which they can make their case.

[himher 634]

No, of course it doesn't make sense to you. According to the ATF however 29% of urban, 43% of suburban, and 53% of rural households own firearms. Only 28% of democrats own firearms, 30% independents, 47% republicans.

By race gun ownership overall is 15% in the black community, 38% in the white community. Your message is this: Higher rates of gun ownership = higher rates of gun deaths. YET: In the black community, with ownership rates of 15%, murder rates are 15.7 vs in the white community, with ownership rates of 38%, murder rates are 2.14.

Why are murder rates higher with lower gun ownership rates?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/12/19/a-gun-ownership-renaissance/

Here is more data. Explain why gun deaths nationwide are still falling.

Edited September 30, 2013 by himher

[Teddy B 17,252]

No, of course it doesn't make sense to you. According to the ATF however 29% of urban, 43% of suburban, and 53% of rural households own firearms. Only 28% of democrats own firearms, 30% independents, 47% republicans.

By race gun ownership overall is 15% in the black community, 38% in the white community. Your message is this: Higher rates of gun ownership = higher rates of gun deaths. YET: In the black community, with ownership rates of 15%, murder rates are 15.7 vs in the white community, with ownership rates of 38%, murder rates are 2.14.

Why are murder rates higher with lower gun ownership rates?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/12/19/a-gun-ownership-renaissance/

Here is more data. Explain why gun deaths nationwide are still falling.

I don't know many criminals who claim ownership of illegal guns, do you? Are you saying that the 15% of legal gun owners in the black community are the ones committing most of the crime?

My message is that easy access to guns causes higher rates of gun deaths. It has been proven time and time again that people who shouldn't have access to guns, do. Remove the access, you lower the number of gun deaths.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Stop trying to infringe on the crazy's right to their guns.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Stop trying to infringe on the crazy's right to their guns.

You know me, I just love to infringe on other people's shyt.

[RGinWA 816]

No infringing on the crazies rights to corner the market on fear-mongering and disinformation!

Thank you Tea Party...

[Teddy B 17,252]

No infringing on the crazies rights to corner the market on fear-mongering and disinformation!

Thank you Tea Party...

The level of fear mongering and misinformation in this country is beyond belief when it comes to guns and gun aficionados.

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[RGinWA 816]

The level of fear mongering and misinformation in this country is beyond belief when it comes to guns and gun aficionados.

The stats they massage are quite stunning.

They can prove that "more lead equals less dead". Yes...arm EVERYONE!

[himher 634]

I don't know many criminals who claim ownership of illegal guns, do you? Are you saying that the 15% of legal gun owners in the black community are the ones committing most of the crime?

My message is that easy access to guns causes higher rates of gun deaths. It has been proven time and time again that people who shouldn't have access to guns, do. Remove the access, you lower the number of gun deaths.

It's anonymous polling dude. They don't scramble jets and raise the DEFCON status if an unknown anonymous person admits to owning a gun because they don't actually know if the person answering the question is supposed to own it or not.

To answer your "access" theory: It has been pointed out numerous times (even among your own limp-wristed whining liberal ranks) that access to guns is easier than ever. Yet murder rates are falling. You have not, given fair data from legitimate sources, managed to explain this.

On the other hand you and your lib buddy are passing the discussion back and forth but have presented no data of value and offered no information of value except for your previously demonstrated erroneous opinions. Facts were discussed and you were challenged to go get some of your own (assuming you can read and understand them).

Now/again: Are you going to keep plucking fleas out of each others butt-hairs or bring in some data? Your grooming session is smelling up the room.

You know me, I just love to infringe on other people's shyt.

Your bull-shyt doesn't infringe on anything over here sport

Edited September 30, 2013 by himher

[himher 634]

The stats they massage are quite stunning.

They can prove that "more lead equals less dead". Yes...arm EVERYONE!

Joining the flea-picking? Stats are stats. Are you now claiming that the stats do not reflect the truth? You are all invited to go get some stats of you own and show us all the way.