Visa Denied because I am ugly???

[David & Diana R 1,005]

And will probably gladly wait another 6 months.

I wonder how much it costs to support a fiance in Russia. I know how much for Philippines...

[Mycka 0]

Just out of curiosity, how old is she?

[southernman 29]

I wonder how much it costs to support a fiance in Russia. I know how much for Philippines...

Too much to do it twice lol. In all seriousness I hope that the OP was not or is not being scammed but it would not be the first or last time this trick is used by a some horrible person. If I was him I would be on the phone with her right now and not give a damm what time it was there or what she was doing.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Yes, it is correct. We planned to get married in Ukraine in March (I wanted December originally, but it is kinda cold). I was in "busy season" in Florida where I work so I wanted to gain some more money before I returned. So, why not return in April on her birthday, which I did. I needed photos from her within 30 days of filing according to the I-129 petition and I do not trust Ukraine mail system. So, once I returned, I was debating about getting a lawyer or just doing the forms myself. If I had a lawyer, it would cost a lot and most people said just do it yourself because it is only paperwork. I did fine on the USCIS side. She said she will wait 6 months and let's try so we did. I filled out the petition on May12th, but it was the weekend, so it arrived in Dallas on May 15th - right on time from the day we took the photos in Nikolaev, Ukraine.

If you have plans to return to the Ukraine anytime soon, you could still get married there and apply for a CR1 visa. It will be more money into the USCIS pit but you may get a different result.

It is still an option.

After reading your additional posts, I am inclined to believe the denial was not related to your aesthetics, but I would not discard the possibility the interviewing office may have tried to rile up your fiancee with an off-the-cuff comment.

IMHO the most likely scenario here is that the consulate was not satisfied with the quantity or quality of the material you submitted as proof of your relationship. along with other former SSRs, the Ukraine has a higher incidence of marriages for immigration purposes only; so they tend to be extra diligent in their scrutiny.

Get more facts, wait until she receives a letter from the consulate with the reasons for her denial and plot your next steps.

Good luck!

[Tanya and Barry 59]

For other types of non immigrant visa yes the 95% decision is made even before the interview starts but I do not think same holds for the CR1 and K1 interviews.

Consulates or Embassy are more accountable for CR1 / K1 applications compared to any other non immigrant type of visa.

Even in case where they are refusing or denying the visa they need a very good reason.

Knowing all these it would be extremely difficult for me to believe visa was refused just based on the look and no document was given at the point of refusal.

You had your interview in Kiev then? Most couples are asked one maybe two questions in a K1 interview in Kiev. The refusals are based on evidence or lack there of in Kiev...I agree in some countries the interview may be much more important...

[BeanCamp 28]

Couldn't you request the consul general to review?

[Harsh_77 718]

You had your interview in Kiev then? Most couples are asked one maybe two questions in a K1 interview in Kiev. The refusals are based on evidence or lack there of in Kiev...I agree in some countries the interview may be much more important...

You get interviewed in Kiev or any other place that has nothing to do with it.

In most cases they really dont need a whole lot of questions, they can figure out lot of things from applicants behaviour, body language etc.

[AmyWrites 593]

Aren't you supposed to submit original documents? by the message, she didn't.

Whatever the case is, you need to do two things;

- follow Darnell's advice

- talk to her, get every. single. detail. about the interview

- gather, re-gather as much evidence of your relationship as possible, in case of a second interview or a NOIR.

Good luck.

[Tanya and Barry 59]

You get interviewed in Kiev or any other place that has nothing to do with it.

In most cases they really dont need a whole lot of questions, they can figure out lot of things from applicants behaviour, body language etc.

Sure it does. There are SOP's (Standard Operating Procedures) for each consulate. If you think the process and interview in Kiev is the same as in Cairo you are misinformed.

Edited September 25, 2013 by Tanya and Barry

[BastillaShan 30]

Sure it does. There are SOP's (Standard Operating Procedures) for each consulate. If you think the process and interview in Kiev is the same as in Cairo you are misinformed.

Does Kiev get a Packet 3 and Packet 4 prior to the interview?

Our interview is in Moscow on Weds of next week, and it strikes me as odd that you said their mind is made up prior to the interview. Because in Moscow you bring everything for the interview itself (i.e. Proof, documents, so on). It would seem that it would be hard to render a decision in advance without all of that.

I'm just curious as it's one of the RUB places.

OP, I hope this all turns out well and that there are only miscommunications. It sounds though, and I'm sorry for saying it, that there are some trust and maturity issues you and your fiancee face. I hope that's something you're able to overcome.

[southernman 29]

Does Kiev get a Packet 3 and Packet 4 prior to the interview?

Our interview is in Moscow on Weds of next week, and it strikes me as odd that you said their mind is made up prior to the interview. Because in Moscow you bring everything for the interview itself (i.e. Proof, documents, so on). It would seem that it would be hard to render a decision in advance without all of that.

I'm just curious as it's one of the RUB places.

OP, I hope this all turns out well and that there are only miscommunications. It sounds though, and I'm sorry for saying it, that there are some trust and maturity issues you and your fiancee face. I hope that's something you're able to overcome.

An officer will look over your documents and proof before the face to face interview. Usually they already know if a visa will be issued prior to the "interview"

[BastillaShan 30]

An officer will look over your documents and proof before the face to face interview. Usually they already know if a visa will be issued prior to the "interview"

That makes a lot more sense. Thank you!

[Juliet and Steve 93]

Can you be denied because you are ugly. Yes. The consulate officials are agents of the Embassy. The embassy acts as demi-gods and are for all practical reasons untouchable.

Thailand embassy/consulate has determined that a child cannot be taken out of the country without permission of both birth parents. In America hearings are held, and though state rule applies--essentially both parties are looked at and custody is often given, allowing a child to be moved to a distant location--if the Court determines it is in the best interest of the child. So The Thailand consulate simply makes its own rules.

Therefore they could quite arbitrarily refuse you because you did not wear pink shoes on a Tuesday. Now, of course, you could sue, but I really doubt that you would get anywhere as there is no Federal District Court who would hear your case. You could take it to a higher court and eventually to the Supreme Court--but 99% of cases are never acted upon.

There is no libel/slander because this was told to you, not to others. For slander/libel to hold true something has to be conveyed, and believed by another and damage from the action must occur. Further, if for instance, you were placed with ten other people of approximate age, race and gender and if a group of random people were chosen and they repeatedly said: "that person is indeed--ugly," then there is no defamation," because truth is the absolute defense to defamation.

It's not sexual discrimination or any other actionable discrimination because ugly/beautiful is not an attribute protected by any law. Neither would it be any form of discrimination if you were denied because you were too short and people do indeed discriminate because some of us are short (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_rauFtOWVk ) Now we could modify that same song and the effect will be the same. I'm short...and the song makes me laugh.

Federal laws do protect against race, creed, gender, even age--but "more or less," for instance the Supreme Court has handed down decisions that indicate that at least in certain instances age discrimination, while illegal, won't be dealt with at the highest level of our courts. If you were discriminated against because you were black, or Muslim then even though the Consulate acts as demi-gods, you might find support--but this is not the case here and, I'm sure, to your chagrin--no high powered lawyer will ever bother to represent you unless you are willing to throw many tens of thousands of dollars away.

The answer, and I'm sure it's been given here is simple: Go there, marry and start over. Actually I were ugly or ugly and short--going to the Ukraine even after a failed K1 would look like a very sweet deal to me. Heck in America being ugly, or short, or ugly and short is a death sentence in finding a beautiful woman--go for it man!

Best of luck.

Edited September 25, 2013 by Juliet and Steve

[r060106 109]

Can you be denied because you are ugly. Yes. The consulate officials are agents of the Embassy. The embassy acts as demi-gods and are for all practical reasons untouchable.

Thailand embassy/consulate has determined that a child cannot be taken out of the country without permission of both birth parents. In America hearings are held, and though state rule applies--essentially both parties are looked at and custody is often given, allowing a child to be moved to a distant location--if the Court determines it is in the best interest of the child. So The Thailand consulate simply makes its own rules.

Therefore they could quite arbitrarily refuse you because you did not wear pink shoes on a Tuesday. Now, of course, you could sue, but I really doubt that you would get anywhere as there is no Federal District Court who would hear your case. You could take it to a higher court and eventually to the Supreme Court--but 99% of cases are never acted upon.

There is no libel/slander because this was told to you, not to others. For slander/libel to hold true something has to be conveyed, and believed by another and damage from the action must occur. Further, if for instance, you were placed with ten other people of approximate age, race and gender and if a group of random people were chosen and they repeatedly said: "that person is indeed--ugly," then there is no defamation," because truth is the absolute defense to defamation.

It's not sexual discrimination or any other actionable discrimination because ugly/beautiful is not an attribute protected by any law. Neither would it be any form of discrimination if you were denied because you were too short and people do indeed discriminate because some of us are short (See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_rauFtOWVk ) Now we could modify that same song and the effect will be the same. I'm short...and the song makes me laugh.

Federal laws do protect against race, creed, gender, even age--but "more or less," for instance the Supreme Court has handed down decisions that indicate that at least in certain instances age discrimination, while illegal, won't be dealt with at the highest level of our courts. If you were discriminated against because you were black, or Muslim then even though the Consulate acts as demi-gods, you might find support--but this is not the case here and, I'm sure, to your chagrin--no high powered lawyer will ever bother to represent you unless you are willing to throw many tens of thousands of dollars away.

The answer, and I'm sure it's been given here is simple: Go there, marry and start over. Actually I were ugly or ugly and short--going to the Ukraine even after a failed K1 would look like a very sweet deal to me. Heck in America being ugly, or short, or ugly and short is a death sentence in finding a beautiful woman--go for it man!

Best of luck.

Are you inferring that a CR-1 is harder to deny/more easy to defend because there is a legal, marital union established between the petitioner and beneficiary? I've always wondered about this. I mean, they really would be no sense in telling someone "your wife is too beautiful for you" because you're already married and are thus a legal entity thereafter. Am I making sense?

[Darnell 8,479]

oh, it's not just the marriage. that's a singular event.

when submitting an I-130 and again with the DS-230, one submits bonafide marriage evidence (per the instructions in the I-130) . There's a list of 6 types. It's similar to the list of things when filing for an ROC casefile.