Catholics cheer pope's remarks on gays, abortion

[Penny Lane 8,159]

You read a few chosen headlines and your support is won, why am I not surprised?

Nothing has changed.

Yes, Danno. Of course you'd assume that this is literally the only thing I've ever read or heard about in regards to this Pope.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

God loves me just the way I am, one of His perfect creations.

[Danno 1,228]

Yes, Danno. Of course you'd assume that this is literally the only thing I've ever read or heard about in regards to this Pope.

Apparently so, unless you approve of me too, he has said nothing I have not said.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Sure, Danno.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

What can I say, I'm a renaissance man.

Lets just hope you never run into a real bear....when you are alone...carrying a .32 auto concealed

You will be fine as long as there is someone with you that you can shoot in the kneecap with that thing and RUN. Keep it concealed so no one figures out your plan to sacrifice them to save yourself. You are an attorney, teacher, minister and gun maker...you MUST be saved!

Say a prayer for them as you RUN and plan a lawsuit against the property owner for not controlling the bears.

Edited September 23, 2013 by Gary and Alla

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Try to get out of your comfort zone & read a little more = It's in the works.

Oh I can't wait. Is there a website I can sign up for to check the progress?

[Jacque67 7,328]

This pope rocks.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You read a few chosen headlines and your support is won

Danno, you're projecting.

[RGinWA 816]

Lets just hope you never run into a real bear....when you are alone...carrying a .32 auto concealed

You will be fine as long as there is someone with you that you can shoot in the kneecap with that thing and RUN. Keep it concealed so no one figures out your plan to sacrifice them to save yourself. You are an attorney, teacher, minister and gun maker...you MUST be saved!

Say a prayer for them as you RUN and plan a lawsuit against the property owner for not controlling the bears.

Only you believe that...but why would I try to explain how wrong you are? I must admit that your ramblings on the subject amuse me like one of those monkey grinders when I was a kid.

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

No, not really. It's all talk, it'll probably never happen. The church can't afford to pay for the priests families, housing, health insurance, or their divorce settlements. It's all about the dineros with the Catholic church.

They're doing more than talking. They're allowing. Several examples include - merged Anglicans & Episcopalians with married priests into the Church. Britain's Cardinal & others are expressing support & lobbying for it. Etc...

The Catholic Church "can't afford"? The Catholic Church has more money than... God.

ETA: Ludicrous to think the Church would be responsible to pay "divorce settlements".

Edited September 24, 2013 by Crashed~N2~Me

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

Oh I can't wait. Is there a website I can sign up for to check the progress?

It's called the World Wide Web. You may have heard of it...?

[Teddy B 17,252]

They're doing more than talking. They're allowing. Several examples include - merged Anglicans & Episcopalians with married priests into the Church. Britain's Cardinal & others are expressing support & lobbying for it. Etc...

The Catholic Church "can't afford"? The Catholic Church has more money than... God.

ETA: Ludicrous to think the Church would be responsible to pay "divorce settlements".

Yes, a very small number of married Anglican & Episcopalian priests have been allowed into the Catholic church as a show of unity amongst Christians. That is not however an indication that the Catholic Church is shifting it's policies for it's Catholic Priests. Catholic priests are still not allowed to marry and there is nothing to indicate that this will change any time soon.

The Catholic church is nowhere near as rich as it used to be. They have been losing followers and money in droves for the past 4 decades due to pedophilia in the church and advances in science that show the possibility of there ever having been a God to be miniscule. They are closing churches and selling off properties by the thousands to remain liquid.

Why is it ludicrous to think the Catholic church would be paying for a married priest's divorce settlement? Isn't it part of the Church's responsibility to house, feed and take care of the preists day to day needs, including their living expenses? Who's going to end up paying for the divorce lawyers, child support and alimony, if the Church doesn't pay it? Are the Priests going to flip burgers at Wendy's during the night shift? You'd be naive to think that the ex-spouses wouldn't also attempt to sue the church for support and that the church wouldn't be named as defendants in these cases also.

Edited September 24, 2013 by Teddy B

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

1) Yes, a very small number of married Anglican & Episcopalian priests have been allowed into the Catholic church as a show of unity amongst Christians. That is not however an indication that the Catholic Church is shifting it's policies for it's Catholic Priests. Catholic priests are still not allowed to marry and there is nothing to indicate that this will change any time soon.

2) The Catholic church is nowhere near as rich as it used to be. They have been losing followers and money in droves for the past 4 decades due to pedophilia in the church and advances in science that show the possibility of there ever having been a God to be miniscule. They are closing churches and selling off properties by the thousands to remain liquid.

3) Why is it ludicrous to think the Catholic church would be paying for a married priest's divorce settlement? Isn't it part of the Church's responsibility to house, feed and take care of the preists day to day needs, including their living expenses? Who's going to end up paying for the divorce lawyers, child support and alimony, if the Church doesn't pay it? Are the Priests going to flip burgers at Wendy's during the night shift? You'd be naive to think that the ex-spouses wouldn't also attempt to sue the church for support and that the church wouldn't be named as defendants in these cases also.

1) The size doesn't matter. The fact these were allowed is an indicator. The Pope stating celibacy is not a dogma is an even bigger indicator.

2) I am sure you recognize - the Church is not the Vatican. Worldwide estimates of income = excess of 500 Billion annually. "The Economist" estimates US expenses of 170+ Billion. Add in global assets = The Church is not even near broke.

3) Diocesan priests receive a salary package. A married Diocesan priest would have a similar package to = Lutherans, Methodists, Baptists...etc. The Catholic church would be no more obligated in picking up the divorce tab than any of those examples = none. Your argument is more applicable to "religious priests".

I have been on the phone today with a couple of men on the "inside". They state that Yes - there is a clear signal sent by this Pope & various Cardinals /Archbishops / Bishops - that an open mind to married priests is present state & seems to be heading towards reality BUT seeing that happen anytime soon (one stated "probably not in my lifetime" - he is 68 years old) = very slim chance.

That means - Although I am correct regarding indicators - propensity of fact = I am wrong on time frame. I concede this debate regarding married priests is "in the works" & I acknowledge my statement was "overstated / exaggerated".

Thanks for the conversation - I am better informed now.

Edited September 24, 2013 by Crashed~N2~Me

[Danno 1,228]

1) The size doesn't matter. The fact these were allowed is an indicator. The Pope stating celibacy is not a dogma is an even bigger indicator.

2) I am sure you recognize - the Church is not the Vatican. Worldwide estimates of income = excess of 500 Billion annually. "The Economist" estimates US expenses of 170+ Billion. Add in global assets = The Church is not even near broke.

3) Diocesan priests receive a salary package. A married Diocesan priest would have a similar package to = Lutherans, Methodists, Baptists...etc. The Catholic church would be no more obligated in picking up the divorce tab than any of those examples = none. Your argument is more applicable to "religious priests".

I have been on the phone today with a couple of men on the "inside". They state that Yes - there is a clear signal sent by this Pope & various Cardinals /Archbishops / Bishops - that an open mind to married priests is present state & seems to be heading towards reality BUT seeing that happen anytime soon (one stated "probably not in my lifetime" - he is 68 years old) = very slim chance.

That means - Although I am correct regarding indicators - propensity of fact = I am wrong on time frame. I concede this debate regarding married priests is "in the works" & I acknowledge my statement was "overstated / exaggerated".

Thanks for the conversation - I am better informed now.

You and I see the same Church and yet project different future events.

IMO it is because you look with a short horizon and from a Euro-centric angle.

THe RCC is in free fall, a trajectory that began with 2nd vatican where "Tradition and form" was shelved for becoming a bit more hip.

When you look at the number of people who left since that robust era it can be described as no other way than a colossal error.

THe Catholic Church is not the only example of this, Main line Protestant faiths such have Episcopalian also left their footings and faced monumental decline which only got worse with their Gays marriage change.

WHat churches have grown? Conservative, evangelical Churches. Catholic CHurches which are more traditional.

The Catholic Church is so jacked up now that it is possible they could veer a little farther left but as the West is a dying source of future influence we must look to where the Church is growing and even thriving and speculate what those future generations will demand in a church.

THere will be a show-down in the Catholic Church and a purging within a few decades or Plan B will go into effect.