Tiny North Dakota town braces against neo-Nazi plans for all-white community

[Peikko 1,575]

Danno, you seem to be confused. No one is asking to have these people arrested if they do not commit crimes, but you seem to think that those who do not embrace the neo nazi ideology and rather dislike the idea of having these morons engulfing their community should 'like' it. There is nothing to stop them objecting and taking measures that are legal to prevent them from setting up their community. It's not like this is a benign organisation, or are you trying to suggest that they are? I am sure you would be the first to object if these people moved in next door to you, regardless of whether they committed criminal acts or not. These dudes are nasty people, how do I know? They embrace a nasty ideology with nasty aims and nasty credo and generally they end up committing crimes against those they wish to 'eradicate'.

[mota bhai 2,675]

... you would be the first to object if these people moved in next door to you

[Peikko 1,575]

I will say the same thing I said when the Nuwaubians built a huge compound in a county in my area and were being harassed by the local Sheriff.

As long as they are obeying the law and not attempting to deprive anyone else of their rights to live and practice their beliefs and live in peace, I say more power to them.

More power to people who base their credo on white people being a supreme race? There is nothing benign about a neo nazi, how can there be with the ideology they espouse?

[Peikko 1,575]

lol, point taken.

All the same, skin head neo nazis are pretty skanky, I don't think he'd like living next to those neonazis

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

lol, point taken.

All the same, skin head neo nazis are pretty skanky, I don't think he'd like living next to those neonazis

They are a God-fearing Christian group.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I would contest that the KKK was a Christian organization,

All these white supremacist groups take Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

Bringing a Message of Hope and Deliverance to White Christian America! A Message of Love NOT Hate!

http://www.kkk.com/

[Danno 1,228]

All these white supremacist groups take Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

"The KKK" was sued out of existence what we have (and this is one example) is an wide assortment of mini-Klans all over the place all with various names.

NO doubt there are many Klansman who are religious, but what you really don't see to much degree are Bible groups, specific doctrine, worship centers, seminaries or any of the normal things you would find in the most common of religious groups.

Well, I have asked my main question several times and instead of answering you seem to be interested in the Klan yet you don't even use them in an answer the question either so I will respect your wish to keep your honest views to your self.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I would contest that the KKK was a Christian organization, it was rather an organization with Christians in it and naturally there culture would be part of it.

Sure there are a few off shoots that actually tie the two ideologies together in purpose but those are kinda late to the scene and not really flying under the KKK banner that I know of.

When one gets past the symbolism of the cross, it seems a bit paganish as well.

But I return the question to you, what would be wrong with any religious group "swamping" a town with like minded people?

Odd that that progressives tell us the people who slaughter hundreds every year in religious based terrorist attacks, in no way represent Islam, but are quick to point out a handful of mentally challenged idiots who are universally denounced by almost all Christians represent Christians.

Lib logic It's entertaining if nothing else

[Danno 1,228]

Danno, you seem to be confused. No one is asking to have these people arrested if they do not commit crimes, but you seem to think that those who do not embrace the neo nazi ideology and rather dislike the idea of having these morons engulfing their community should 'like' it. There is nothing to stop them objecting and taking measures that are legal to prevent them from setting up their community. It's not like this is a benign organisation, or are you trying to suggest that they are? I am sure you would be the first to object if these people moved in next door to you, regardless of whether they committed criminal acts or not. These dudes are nasty people, how do I know? They embrace a nasty ideology with nasty aims and nasty credo and generally they end up committing crimes against those they wish to 'eradicate'.

NO actually we do hear people wanting to run the guy out of town, they have condemned his property and what could only be called a flash of humor in all this was they had a gathering to condemn the guys goals of creating a largely White community. I say it was humorous because many of those who expressed anguish and contempt were they themselves living in the exact same type of community.

Of Course I am referring to Indian reservations.

You must admit it takes a bit of gall to leave your homogenous (by law) reservation and come protest a group who basically wants to copy that community.

One wonders where these protesters were at when that Indian tribe gave all the Black tribe members the boot from their reservation a few years back.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/15/us-indians-slaves-idUSTRE70E1YW20110115

Tribal ruling raises dispute over slaves owned by Indians

And no I would not want to live next door to these types of people either, not because they want to live in a white community (from the data, many people do)

but because they are kooks. In fact, these type of people are one of the biggest problems with the whole concept of having like minded communities.... how do you keep these folks out.

Edited September 24, 2013 by Danno

[mota bhai 2,675]

If "like minded" means including a bunch of kooks, I'd say a recalibration of your mind is in order.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I would contest that the KKK was a Christian organization, it was rather an organization with Christians in it and naturally there culture would be part of it.

Sure there are a few off shoots that actually tie the two ideologies together in purpose but those are kinda late to the scene and not really flying under the KKK banner that I know of.

When one gets past the symbolism of the cross, it seems a bit paganish as well.

But I return the question to you, what would be wrong with any religious group "swamping" a town with like minded people?

I was taking a break from here, but when I read this, I felt like I had to respond.

Here's your answer. The religious groups in question are all about hate. You can't hate peacefully. Have you seen Mr. Cobb's web postings? I can't post it here, but check out Cobb's corner on White Nations. You're looking at one black man and his wife in a town full of people who HATE anyone who doesn't have the same skin tone as them. How long before an altercation happens? Should he have to live in fear for his life or his wife's life for that matter? These aren't people who meet on Sunday to preach God's word, they're mean spirited, racists, spineless cowards that only talk tough on the internet or in groups. And you think it's ok to subject Mr. Harper to that type of harassment?

Mr. Cobb wants to post racist banners up all around the town. How does that affect Mr. Harper and his wife? If Mr. Harper is harassed, how much help would he or his wife receive from a town who doesn't want him in this country, let alone the town? When the crosses start burning, and the nooses are flying in trees, will you still say, no laws were broken? Will you wait until Mr. Harper is strung up, beaten to death, shot because he was "assaulting"someone who called him the n word, or some other racial slur?

If you're going to defend the white hate groups that want to live there, I suggest you go to the websites and check them out. NSM, Stormfront, White Nations. They aren't talking about white pride and doing good for the white community, they talk about us in a way I can't say here, jews, hispanics, and Native Americans.

I have no problem with Freedom of Speech, and what they say sickens me. But violence has always followed these groups. I've had run ins with Nazis while I was in Germany. Because I've always travelled with other soldiers at night downtown, no issues, they just say some vile ####### in German and then hurry along if we call them out. If I was by myself though, I might not be here to say the things I am saying now.

[mota bhai 2,675]

How many American servicemen/women have been murdered by Nazis in Germany post WW2?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

How many American servicemen/women have been murdered by Nazis in Germany post WW2?

i have no idea, but I know on those nights when we would run into those dudes with the jean jackets on, and the swastika emblazoned on the back, they weren't trying to be nice to myself or my soldiers.

[Danno 1,228]

If you're going to defend the white hate groups that want to live there, I suggest you go to the websites and check them out. NSM, Stormfront, White Nations. They aren't talking about white pride and doing good for the white community, they talk about us in a way I can't say here, jews, hispanics, and Native Americans.

Funny, I thought I was defending ALL people's right to live where they want.

That includes people with unpopular yet legal thoughts.

My friend you are so fixated on "THis" case you fail to see history repeating its self, where one group bullies another out.

You go on and on about hate crimes but you have not named one actual crime of his to the people of that town.

If he has made terroristic threats, why not have him charged?

Lets be honest, while I suppose we could dig up a few examples, it's not like Skin heads are terrorizing towns across the nation,

I don't know if that can be said about SOME blacks when they move into an area. ( I have been run out twice).

If these people are such a menace that Black folks are not safe to take an evening, name a few zip codes where this is the case.

I on the other hand could name dozens of zip codes where it is not safe for white folk to take an evening walk, yet your concern in that regard is not quite so vigorous. Does the motivation for rape, robbery or a random beat-down really matter?

Bottom line: IN a free country we do not allow the Gov't to persecute people without cause.

and I am sorry hate is a feeling, by naming everything you dislike "HATE" that does not entitle you to remove peoples rights.

[mota bhai 2,675]

i have no idea, but I know on those nights when we would run into those dudes with the jean jackets on, and the swastika emblazoned on the back, they weren't trying to be nice to myself or my soldiers.

Sure, not trying to be nice. But I don't see why you thought there was a credible threat to your life seeing how there's no real track record of German neo-Nazis killing American servicemen/women of color.