Analysts: 2012 poverty rate basically unchanged

[mota bhai 2,675]

Okay, so maybe it's American workers being exploited? Take lower pay or we ship your jobs to Mexico?

That's like saying when I forego a trip to Sears Auto and go to Pep Boys because they have a special deal on the tires I want, I'm exploiting Sears. That's just the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Free choice is not exploitative.

[Póg mo 1,749]

That's like saying when I forego a trip to Sears Auto and go to Pep Boys because they have a special deal on the tires I want, I'm exploiting Sears. That's just the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Free choice is not exploitative.

That is a very stupid analogy. We aren't not talking about a relativity level playing pitch between the likes of Sears, Pep boys etc, we are talking about how certain entities are able to locate to places where they can do business in much more cheaply than your average American worker could ever dream of. You are simply not comparing like with like. How many ordinary people do you know who can say take their family car to China instead of paying a much higher local rate?

[GandD 5,966]

That is a very stupid analogy. We aren't not talking about a relativity level playing pitch between the likes of Sears, Pep boys etc, we are talking about how certain entities are able to locate to places where they can do business in much more cheaply than your average American worker could ever dream of. You are simply not comparing like with like. How many ordinary people do you know who can say take their family car to China instead of paying a much higher local rate?

Trends from what I can see show more jobs coming back here than going away. We're still, and have been, the biggest manufacturer btw.

[Danno 1,228]

That's right. Ignorant people have been blaming the administration for sinking labor participation rates while that phenomenon is really to be blamed on our demographics. Yes, the economic collapse that this administration found when they began didn't help the labor force participation but the rate has been declining for some time as this nation ages. That trend will continue and actually accelerate unless we get some young blood into this country.

Danno hates the free market because Obama supports it.

The only way for a free market to work is to have rule of law as step-one,when that sinks in we can move on to monopolies and some other things.

[Danno 1,228]

Trends from what I can see show more jobs coming back here than going away. We're still, and have been, the biggest manufacturer btw.

And right before the Hindenburg hit the ground it too was the worlds largest blimp.

You say the jobs are flooding back, fine, show the increase in manufacturing numbers.

They are not coming back and the WON"T be coming back to any degree, our manufacturing is gone because we did not protect our markets..... as everyone else does.

[GandD 5,966]

And right before the Hindenburg hit the ground it too was the worlds largest blimp.

You say the jobs are flooding back, fine, show the increase in manufacturing numbers.

They are not coming back and the WON"T be coming back to any degree, our manufacturing is gone because we did not protect our markets..... as everyone else does.

I didn't say they were flooding back. Geez, must you live in the extreme everytime? It's really more of a trickle.

Three things seem to be the cause o a shift back in our direction.

1. A desire to have a more tightly controlled supply/development chain

2. Chinese (for example) labor costs are approaching half that of the us worker so the net benefit is not what it used to be

3. Thanks in large part to cheaper natural gas, us energy is at a bargain price

Of course, there at many factors at play and we could be experiencing a temporary return. I'm not obtuse enough to think I or my sources know everything there is to know about global economics and trends.

USA is still worlds leading manufacturer btw, so don't completely buy into the hype my good friend.

[RGinWA 816]

I blame illegals, Obama's, minorities and Democrats.

Wait...what was the question?

[Danno 1,228]

I didn't say they were flooding back. Geez, must you live in the extreme everytime? It's really more of a trickle.

Three things seem to be the cause o a shift back in our direction.

1. A desire to have a more tightly controlled supply/development chain

2. Chinese (for example) labor costs are approaching half that of the us worker so the net benefit is not what it used to be

3. Thanks in large part to cheaper natural gas, us energy is at a bargain price

Of course, there at many factors at play and we could be experiencing a temporary return. I'm not obtuse enough to think I or my sources know everything there is to know about global economics and trends.

USA is still worlds leading manufacturer btw, so don't completely buy into the hype my good friend.

I don't think it is enough to say "we are still the words leading manufacturer", we must consider where we are heading and our population.

Here is where we are heading.

We are one of the most populated countries in the world so no matter how bad things got we would still out perform almost everyone else.

[GandD 5,966]

I don't think it is enough to say "we are still the words leading manufacturer", we must consider where we are heading and our population.

Here is where we are heading.

We are one of the most populated countries in the world so no matter how bad things got we would still out perform almost everyone else.

One of the biggest drops you see there is the 2008 death. From what I have read, 75% of the jobs lots since then (in manufacturing) have been reclaimed. Estimates say that we should be back to the 2008 numbers by late next year. This would constitute that graph shifting (in trickle form as it were) in the other direction.

Now, from what I know about some of the major OEM's release numbers next year, things are not going to be pretty. As you may know, automotive (really the only manufacturing I have direct knowledge) goes through sales/release cycles related to average age of vehicles in circulation yada yada yada. So, that's certainly something that will needs to be watched closely in 2014 and 2015. I suspect the 100% return to 2008 will not occur as some are are hoping since automotive is responsible for so much of that graph. Look to the next big boom in 2016. Based on the international company I work for, all focus is being shifted to the US, Mexico, and Brazil. I have high hopes Danno, that that needle will move in the other direction going forward. And the billion dollar company I work for is counting on it.

BUT, you might be right. Even the most informed on the subject are guessing to an extent.

[Karee 4,191]

BUT, you might be right. Even the most informed on the subject are guessing to an extent.

Danno is always right. Mr. BD knows it as well.

[GandD 5,966]

Danno is always right. Mr. BD knows it as well.

There certainly are a few on here that have the world figured out.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Danno is always right. Mr. BD knows it as well.

If Danno is always right, then there's no glory in being right anymore. Danno is one of the most confused individuals out there. He needs a calculator to add 2 and 2 together and get that right.