Breaking: Shots fired inside D.C. naval facility

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

yes at 1:00. i take a nap in my car at lunch almost everyday.

Naps rock.

I've identified a nap spot which I find a bit odd but man, I doze fast & deep = on the floor. I think it's coz I flatten out like a (albeit a bit lumpy) pancake.

[Harsh_77 718]

Dude, you know what "adjudicated" means? Go back and read what I wrote. Read the damn article to posted a link to for crying out loud.

It takes a court order or being committed to a mental institution involuntarily for the mental issue to become a roadblock in the attempt to purchase a firearm. Simply being diagnosed with a mental condition and treated for it does NOT prevent one from lawfully purchasing a firearm in Virginia.

Aaron Alexis was a legal gun owner. He purchased the firearm LEGALLY!

It can be by court, board, commission or other lawful authority…. now if you are claiming VA would not be lawful authority than that’s end of argument.

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

Yep...stick with Bill O and Fox...solid unbiased news.

I'm not pissed, its the GOP and the base that wallow in self pity over Obama ruining their lives...bla...bla...bla.

Enjoy the next 3 years...and the 4 after that...and here's a tissue. LOL

I'm curious who you would offer as an alternate?

Surely not Madcow & Thank God for Sandy Matthews.

"Journalism" was bought & sold years ago. It's up to the consumer to determine fact or fiction. Period.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It can be by court, board, commission or other lawful authority…. now if you are claiming VA would not be lawful authority than that’s end of argument.

Fine, it's still not the same as merely being diagnosed which is all that was the case with this individual. There is a reason that only 1% of rejected requests are rejected on this basis. It's a high standard as the article you quoted earlier correctly states. You seem to confuse this with someone being treated for metal issues. That's not the same. One can be treated for mental issues and still be eligible to lawfully purchase a firearm in many jurisdictions. This was the case here.

Besides, as the other article you linked to earlier explains, Alexis had already purchased the firearm by the time he started being treated for his mental condition.

It seems clear, 24 hours after the fact, that Alexis suffered from some mental health issues. As the AP reported Tuesday, Alexis, a Navy veteran, began treatment for "serious mental issues, including paranoia and a sleep disorder," beginning last month. By then, he'd already purchased the shotgun that he used in Monday's attack.

So, any way you slice it, Aaron Alexis was a lawful gun owner that had lawfully acquired the firearm with which he murdered a dozen people. The NRA is proud of him.

[Harsh_77 718]

Fine, it's still not the same as merely being diagnosed which is all that was the case with this individual. There is a reason that only 1% of rejected requests are rejected on this basis. It's a high standard as the article you quoted earlier correctly states. You seem to confuse this with someone being treated for metal issues. That's not the same. One can be treated for mental issues and still be eligible to lawfully purchase a firearm in many jurisdictions. This was the case here.

Besides, as the other article you linked to earlier explains, Alexis had already purchased the firearm by the time he started being treated for his mental condition.

So, any way you slice it, Aaron Alexis was a lawful gun owner that had lawfully acquired the firearm with which he murdered a dozen people. The NRA is proud of him.

The time he started the treatment and he purchased the gun were pretty close but the point was none of the check that anti gun lobby had been pushing would had worked in this situation.

Yet anti gun lobby does not want to look into the real root cause of the problem but just blame it on gun.

Analysis conducted by the Central Florida Intelligence Exchange (CFIX) has found that 79% of mass shootings since 2011 have been perpetrated by individuals with “demonstrated signs of continuous behavioral health issues and mental illness.” In a July case study titled “Acts of Violence Attributed by Behavioral and Mental Health Issues“, CFIX analyzed 14 mass shooting incidents that occurred between 2011 and 2013 and found that only three of the shooters had no history of mental illness.

http://publicintelligence.net/mass-shootings-mental-illness/

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The time he started the treatment and he purchased the gun were pretty close but the point was none of the check that anti gun lobby had been pushing would had worked in this situation.

Yet anti gun lobby does not want to look into the real root cause of the problem but just blame it on gun.

Analysis conducted by the Central Florida Intelligence Exchange (CFIX) has found that 79% of mass shootings since 2011 have been perpetrated by individuals with “demonstrated signs of continuous behavioral health issues and mental illness.” In a July case study titled “Acts of Violence Attributed by Behavioral and Mental Health Issues“, CFIX analyzed 14 mass shooting incidents that occurred between 2011 and 2013 and found that only three of the shooters had no history of mental illness.

http://publicintelligence.net/mass-shootings-mental-illness/

The issue is that these people and really any person has easy and ready access to firearms. None of them could have perpetrated their mass murders without the firearms they had easy and ready access to. If they can't pass a background check, who cares? Then just go and obtain your firearms at a venue where no background check is required. There are plenty of those around. There is a particular lobby out there that has made sure of that and will fight tooth and nail to keep it that way. And it's not some "anti gun lobby" whatever the hell that is. It's your NRA buddies.

[RGinWA 816]

i enjoy everyday. who ever is in office has no effect on my daily life. we all get to deal with what someone else decides. i'll get up in the morning & do my best to provide for my family today, tomorrow, 10 years from now...it'll be the same.

He must have some effect...or you wouldn't b!tch so much.

Just saying...

[RGinWA 816]

I'm curious who you would offer as an alternate?

Surely not Madcow & Thank God for Sandy Matthews.

"Journalism" was bought & sold years ago. It's up to the consumer to determine fact or fiction. Period.

NPR...BBC...Google?

I don't watch the news; I read or listen to it.

Anyone who get's all their info from Fox or MSNBC is only getting the red meat.

Fox News doesn't even hide the fact that they aren't really a news channel, they've even testified to that fact. They are pure entertainment. Believe me, if the GOP base believed that Santa was real, Fox would have Santa on every day. It relies on it's low information viewers.

[SMOKE 1,426]

He must have some effect...or you wouldn't b!tch so much.

Just saying...

i just like watching his minions get lathered up.

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

At his root he is a pretty good dude..

i'm really afraid to ask how you two finally buried the hatchet.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

i'm really afraid to ask how you two finally buried the hatchet.

Who Marvin ? Naw we have always been friends as far as I was aware..We argue about race and stuff, but I always thought he would be great to have a few beers with. May be at the white house? I figure he is a bit racist because of the way he was raised. I don't hold it against him.

[Harsh_77 718]

The issue is that these people and really any person has easy and ready access to firearms. None of them could have perpetrated their mass murders without the firearms they had easy and ready access to. If they can't pass a background check, who cares? Then just go and obtain your firearms at a venue where no background check is required. There are plenty of those around. There is a particular lobby out there that has made sure of that and will fight tooth and nail to keep it that way. And it's not some "anti gun lobby" whatever the hell that is. It's your NRA buddies.

Anti gun lobby would use anything from scare tactics to publishing crazy stats.

None of these lunatics had made a purchase at the other venues you talking about so again your argument fails just like your argument to disarm the legal lawful owners.

[GandD 5,966]

Who Marvin ? Naw we have always been friends as far as I was aware..We argue about race and stuff, but I always thought he would be great to have a few beers with. May be at the white house? I figure he is a bit racist because of the way he was raised. I don't hold it against him.

Priceless

Anti gun lobby would use anything from scare tactics to publishing crazy stats.

There you go.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Anti gun lobby would use anything from scare tactics to publishing crazy stats.

None of these lunatics had made a purchase at the other venues you talking about so again your argument fails just like your argument to disarm the legal lawful owners.

Legal, lawful gun owners? Aaron Alexis was a legal, lawful gun owner. I know you don't want to hear that but it's true. No law was broken in his acquisition of the firearm with which he murdered a dozen people. Your argument is what fails. Most of these mass murderers lawfully acquired their murder weapons. They were legal, lawful gun owners until they snapped and turned into mass murderers. So yes, there are most certainly some legal, lawful gun owners out there that I'd rather they were disarmed.

And reports of gun purchases without background check requirements are plentiful. Happens every day. If it didn't, nobody would fight to keep those venues open and in business. And yet, that is precisely what the gun lobby continues to do. T them, it's all about gun proliferation and sales. The tens of thousands of dead bodies produced by this campaign is something they walk over over without regret.

[Harsh_77 718]

The issue is that these people and really any person has easy and ready access to firearms. None of them could have perpetrated their mass murders without the firearms they had easy and ready access to. If they can't pass a background check, who cares? Then just go and obtain your firearms at a venue where no background check is required. There are plenty of those around. There is a particular lobby out there that has made sure of that and will fight tooth and nail to keep it that way. And it's not some "anti gun lobby" whatever the hell that is. It's your NRA buddies.

Legal, lawful gun owners? Aaron Alexis was a legal, lawful gun owner. I know you don't want to hear that but it's true. No law was broken in his acquisition of the firearm with which he murdered a dozen people. Your argument is what fails. Most of these mass murderers lawfully acquired their murder weapons. They were legal, lawful gun owners until they snapped and turned into mass murderers. So yes, there are most certainly some legal, lawful gun owners out there that I'd rather they were disarmed.

And reports of gun purchases without background check requirements are plentiful. Happens every day. If it didn't, nobody would fight to keep those venues open and in business. And yet, that is precisely what the gun lobby continues to do. T them, it's all about gun proliferation and sales. The tens of thousands of dead bodies produced by this campaign is something they walk over over without regret.

In neither of the incident gun was purchased thru illegal means without back ground check, anti gun lobby had been screaming and shouting how this is common practice and happens all the time, it just proves them wrong.

As you claim in your second post basically anti gun lobby just wants to disarm every civilian, which is true and their primary motive.