Breaking: Shots fired inside D.C. naval facility

[mota bhai 2,675]

i enjoy everyday. who ever is in office has no effect on my daily life. we all get to deal with what someone else decides. i'll get up in the morning & do my best to provide for my family today, tomorrow, 10 years from now...it'll be the same.

WTH, you just wake up from a nap or something?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

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Edited September 17, 2013 by Mr. Big Dog

[Harsh_77 718]

He's had his weapons for years before he was diagnosed. The system didn't fail. There is no system in place to have him turn those weapons in upon being diagnosed because, quite frankly, nobody actually knows that he has them. And that is just the way the NRA likes it. More bloodshed that way, more gun sales result. Mission accomplished. Membership drive successful!

The early investigation indicates that Aaron Alexis legally bought a shotgun at a Lorton, Va., firearms dealer last week.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/09/17/aaron-alexiss-gun-purchase-in-virginia-appears-legal/

That was the one used by him yesterday.

[SMOKE 1,426]

WTH, you just wake up from a nap or something?

yes at 1:00. i take a nap in my car at lunch almost everyday.

[mota bhai 2,675]

yes at 1:00. i take a nap in my car at lunch almost everyday.

I see. I had tacos for lunch. And then I had the sh1ts.

[SMOKE 1,426]

I see. I had tacos for lunch. And then I had the sh1ts.

hopefully you planned ahead & wore black underwear.

[GandD 5,966]

yes at 1:00. i take a nap in my car at lunch almost everyday.

That's awesome.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The early investigation indicates that Aaron Alexis legally bought a shotgun at a Lorton, Va., firearms dealer last week.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/09/17/aaron-alexiss-gun-purchase-in-virginia-appears-legal/

That was the one used by him yesterday.

And he bought it legally as per the article you provided a link to. His mental condition does not prevent him from buying a firearm in Virgina. Nothing short of a court order declaring him incapacitated would prevent him from buying a firearm in Virginia on the grounds of mental illness. The system worked as intended. It worked the way the NRA likes it. More people are dead and the NRA hopes that these deaths will translate into more gun and ammo sales which is what they're really after. Wanna blame someone? Don't blame the VA. Blame the NRA and their spineless b!tches in Congress.

The question then falls to whether Mr. Alexis was in any prohibited category that would have prevented him from buying a firearm.

His record paints a picture of a troubled individual who had several brushes with the law but none that crossed into felony conviction territory that would have prohibited him from buying a gun from a federally licensed gun dealer.

Although he recently began seeking mental health treatment through the Veteran’s Administration, seeking treatment and even having a diagnosed mental illness don’t disqualify someone from purchasing a gun.

Since 1968, federal law has prohibited the sale of guns to anyone declared mentally unfit. But first, a court has to decide someone is unfit—a very high standard. Then, the resident’s state is supposed to supply the mental-health records to a Federal Bureau of Investigation database, created in 1998 to help carry out background checks of would-be gun buyers.

A diagnosis of mental illness by itself isn’t enough to bar a gun purchase, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which enforces gun laws. Voluntary commitments and mental-health assessments are not disqualifiers either.

A person has to be adjudicated mentally ill or be involuntarily committed to enter the prohibited category.

[Sousuke 1,214]

Anything that goes against a free-for-all is a stepping stone to eventual confiscation. That's the essential argument that gun aficionados - as I must now refer to them in order not to hurt their little feelings - are constantly making.

So you think that the proper course of action is to transfer firearms to another family member, eh? What a great idea. Let's consider this: If Adam Lanza had owned firearms, those should have been transferred to his mother, right? Clearly, he was in no shape to own any. Just so happened that he did not own any firearms but that his mother actually owned the very firearms with which she was murdered before her son murdered 26 more people including 20 kids with those very firearms. Man, imagine he had those guns rather than his mother. What could have happened. He could have killed a lot of people. Oh, wait...

Transfer to a family member is about the worst idea I have heard thus far. It does absolutely NOTHING to save lives.

No. The mother would not be eligible as he lives in the same residence. Moreover, the mother would need to keep any firearms at her residence that were her property at another location. At least thats the way I see it.

Edited September 17, 2013 by Brown Dwarf

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

No. The mother would not be eligible as he lives in the same residence. Moreover, the mother would need to keep any firearms at her residence that were her property. At least thats the way I see it.

So the mother should then not have been able to have any firearms because her son was mentally ill - well, unless she kicked him out of the house? Is that your proposal?

[Harsh_77 718]

And he bought it legally as per the article you provided a link to. His mental condition does not prevent him from buying a firearm in Virgina. Nothing short of a court order declaring him incapacitated would prevent him from buying a firearm in Virginia on the grounds of mental illness. The system worked as intended. It worked the way the NRA likes it. More people are dead and the NRA hopes that these deaths will translate into more gun and ammo sales which is what they're really after. Wanna blame someone? Don't blame the VA. Blame the NRA and their spineless b!tches in Congress.

When firearm dealers in states submit an application for a background check to the FBI, mental health is one of the considerations the agency applies for approval. The guideline is specific: the applicant cannot have been "adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution." (Only one percent of rejected applications failed due to this restriction.) Alexis was neither at the time of his application.

The FBI also blocks those who have been dishonorably discharged from the military from getting background check approval. Alexis, despite repeatedly being cited for infractions while he was in the military, was honorably discharged.

http://m.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/09/how-did-dc-shooter-aaron-alexis-get-gun-and-security-clearance/69520/

- You can keep on attacking the legal gun owners.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

yes at 1:00. i take a nap in my car at lunch almost everyday.

So many people in my office do this.

[Sousuke 1,214]

So the mother should then not have been able to have any firearms because her son was mentally ill - well, unless she kicked him out of the house? Is that your proposal?

Just not in the immediate residence yes. Most ranges have storage solutions for instance.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

When firearm dealers in states submit an application for a background check to the FBI, mental health is one of the considerations the agency applies for approval. The guideline is specific: the applicant cannot have been "adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution." (Only one percent of rejected applications failed due to this restriction.) Alexis was neither at the time of his application.

The FBI also blocks those who have been dishonorably discharged from the military from getting background check approval. Alexis, despite repeatedly being cited for infractions while he was in the military, was honorably discharged.

http://m.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/09/how-did-dc-shooter-aaron-alexis-get-gun-and-security-clearance/69520/

- You can keep on attacking the legal gun owners.

Dude, you know what "adjudicated" means? Go back and read what I wrote. Read the damn article to posted a link to for crying out loud.

It takes a court order or being committed to a mental institution involuntarily for the mental issue to become a roadblock in the attempt to purchase a firearm. Simply being diagnosed with a mental condition and treated for it does NOT prevent one from lawfully purchasing a firearm in Virginia.

Aaron Alexis was a legal gun owner. He purchased the firearm LEGALLY!

Edited September 17, 2013 by Mr. Big Dog

[mota bhai 2,675]

Dude, you know what "adjudicated" means?

Of course he doesn't.