Breaking: Shots fired inside D.C. naval facility

[mota bhai 2,675]

Depends on who is delivering the message.

Ok, seriously now.

How can it depend on who is delivering the message?

If something is true, then it's true. If we start calling the truth racist based on who speaks the truth, we're essentially asking some subset of the population to lie.

I don't see how that can be desirable.

Now - the complexity comes in when we go to the finer point of is it really the truth or a deliberate mischaracterization of true facts?

[Teddy B 17,252]

Deny & deflect. You do NOT call out your own racism. You justify it & deflect it with a victim defense.

Here's my point = Be accountable.

(if) You're gonna beat up on hate then be sure to include yourself in the whooping = You are guilty of perpetuating hate.

I was offended by your joke. If it wasn't clear b4, surely it's clear now.

IMO - Racism is not a joke nor is it "drama". I am sensitive bcoz people dear to me (Black, White, Asian & Hispanic)have been victimized by racism. I see their pain & it sucks.

I need to reconsider participating in the discussion coz I apparently take it too seriously for some in this forum. I will give that some thought. (I expect "teddy" will agree coz he prefers slapstick comedy over my "drama")

This is awesome!

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Deny & deflect. You do NOT call out your own racism. You justify it & deflect it with a victim defense.

Here's my point = Be accountable.

(if) You're gonna beat up on hate then be sure to include yourself in the whooping = You are guilty of perpetuating hate.

I was offended by your joke. If it wasn't clear b4, surely it's clear now.

IMO - Racism is not a joke nor is it "drama". I am sensitive bcoz people dear to me (Black, White, Asian & Hispanic)have been victimized by racism. I see their pain & it sucks.

I need to reconsider participating in the discussion coz I apparently take it too seriously for some in this forum. I will give that some thought. (I expect "teddy" will agree coz he prefers slapstick comedy over my "drama")

You should. Because I have had to learn to let some things go to keep my sanity. I've been insulted plenty of times here based on my skin color alone. If you're going to talk about accountability then be here when the hate is being thrown at me and my people. I've called it out on both sides of the aisle(CBC, black on white killings) so you're truly misinformed if you're going to judge me on one comment alone.

[GandD 5,966]

Read Guns, Germs and Steel...it explains why. It's not exactly what people think.

I watched that too. I did like it. That guy isn't highly accredited though, so keep that in mind.

Edited September 17, 2013 by GandD

[Teddy B 17,252]

I still hate you you know that right?

Get in line with the rest of em.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

U.S. law enforcement officials told The Associated Press that Alexis had been suffering a host of serious mental issues, including paranoia and a sleep disorder. He also had been hearing voices in his head, the officials said. Alexis had been treated since August by the Veterans Administration for his mental problems, the officials said. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the criminal investigation in the case was continuing.

The Navy had not declared him mentally unfit, which would have rescinded a security clearance Alexis had from his earlier time in the Navy Reserves.

Family members told investigators Alexis was being treated for his mental issues.

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The officials also said there has been no connection to international or domestic terrorism and investigators have found no manifesto or other writings suggesting a political or religious motivation for the shooting.

Alexis carried three weapons: an AR-15 assault rifle, a shotgun, and a handgun that he took from a police officer at the scene, according to two federal law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the investigation. The AR-15 is the same type of rifle used in last year's mass shooting at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school that killed 20 students and six women. The weapon was also used in the shooting at a Colorado movie theater that killed 12 and wounded 70.

For much of the day, authorities said they were looking for a possible second attacker who may have been disguised in an olive-drab military-style uniform. But by late Monday night, they said they were convinced the shooting was the work of a lone gunman, and the lockdown around the area was eased.

"We do now feel comfortable that we have the single and sole person responsible for the loss of life inside the base today," Washington police Chief Cathy Lanier said.

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At the time of the rampage, Alexis was an employee with The Experts, a company that was a Defense Department subcontractor on a Navy-Marine Corps computer project, authorities said.

Valerie Parlave, head of the FBI's field office in Washington, said Alexis had access to the Navy Yard as a defense contractor and used a valid pass.

Alexis had been a full-time Navy reservist from 2007 to early 2011, leaving as a petty officer third class, the Navy said. It did not say why he left. He had been an aviation electrician's mate with a unit in Fort Worth.

The Washington Navy Yard is a sprawling, 41-acre labyrinth of buildings and streets protected by armed guards and metal detectors, and employees have to show their IDs at doors and gates. More than 18,000 people work there.

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The rampage took place at Building 197, the headquarters for Naval Sea Systems Command, which buys, builds and maintains ships and submarines. About 3,000 people work at headquarters, many of them civilians.

Witnesses on Monday described a gunman opening fire from a fourth-floor overlook, aiming down on people on the main floor, which includes a glass-walled cafeteria. Others said a gunman fired at them in a third-floor hallway.

Patricia Ward, a logistics-management specialist, said she was in the cafeteria getting breakfast.

"It was three gunshots straight in a row — pop, pop, pop. Three seconds later, it was pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, so it was like about a total of seven gunshots, and we just started running," Ward said.

Todd Brundidge, an executive assistant with Navy Sea Systems Command, said he and co-workers encountered a gunman in a long hallway on the third floor. The gunman was wearing all blue, he said.

"He just turned and started firing," Brundidge said.

Terrie Durham, an executive assistant with the same agency, said the gunman fired toward her and Brundidge.

"He aimed high and missed," she said. "He said nothing. As soon as I realized he was shooting, we just said, 'Get out of the building.'"

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20130917/AP-US--Navy.Yard.Shooting/?cid=hero_media

Edited September 17, 2013 by The Patriot

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

You should. Because I have had to learn to let some things go to keep my sanity. I've been insulted plenty of times here based on my skin color alone. If you're going to talk about accountability then be here when the hate is being thrown at me and my people. I've called it out on both sides of the aisle(CBC, black on white killings) so you're truly misinformed if you're going to judge me on one comment alone.

I will give it some thought.

If I made 1..only 1 but still ..1... "Black Joke" - How would you judge me? Let's be fair.. K?

[GandD 5,966]

Get in line with the rest of em.

Who is it that really doesn't like you? I can't remember who it is. I feel like it might be one of the Rant folks, but I can't recall. I like it when two people dig in against each other. Its makes good watching. Karee and Gowan is a fun one.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Ok, seriously now.

How can it depend on who is delivering the message?

If something is true, then it's true. If we start calling the truth racist based on who speaks the truth, we're essentially asking some subset of the population to lie.

I don't see how that can be desirable.

Now - the complexity comes in when we go to the finer point of is it really the truth or a deliberate mischaracterization of true facts?

This is what I meant. There is a difference between telling the truth and being f***** up.

That's why when folks want to discuss race, it's a touchy subject. All they want to do is harp on the failings, and none of the things behind it.

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

This is awesome!

Your father never really loved you did he?

Okay Teddy...Sorry I went off on your little Drama joke. I will try to lighten up & be less sensitive... like you.

[RGinWA 816]

I watched that too. I did like it. That guy isn't highly accredited though, so keep that in mind.

It's a movie also? I had the book on CD a few years back.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Who is it that really doesn't like you? I can't remember who it is. I feel like it might be one of the Rant folks, but I can't recall. I like it when two people dig in against each other. Its makes good watching. Karee and Gowan is a fun one.

Oh, I don't know, it's hard to tell what a person really feels or thinks when he/she is sitting on the other side of the computer. But I'm sure I rub some people the wrong way, it is what it is. I try to treat everyone with respect in the beginning, it's pretty much up to them where it goes from there. You can never please everyone, so I gave up trying long ago. I just don't get the folks who make a dozen or so posts in a forum and then claim to know what everyone in that forum is all about.

Edited September 17, 2013 by Teddy B

[GandD 5,966]

It's a movie also? I had the book on CD a few years back.

It's a documentary now. On Netflix when I watched.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I will give it some thought.

If I made 1..only 1 but still ..1... "Black Joke" - How would you judge me? Let's be fair.. K?

Here's the thing I wouldn't. You're not a regular poster. NB has done it, Teddy, Penny, Val, and quite a few other people. Heck, there's a thread about racist jokes, I was included in it. It's about your delivery method.

[mota bhai 2,675]

What kind of American doesn't hate on the black man from time to time? It's practically our national pasttime. That and football.