DA decides against hate crime in gas station beating

[Peikko 1,575]

Re read your own post, that's what you said, if you didn't mean what you said, fine, but I am posting in response to this:

This is a thread about a family who stopped for gas at a random station and were beaten not because they or I hated anyone but because the community that they stopped in hated them. Then the incident was "determined to not fall under the definition of a hate crime".

As for the sentencing argument, re read your own article, it's all there in black and white. Believe it or not, that's up to you but I think the prosecution office knows more than you do.

[Karee 4,190]

and is currently getting e-smacked like you did last weekend.

e-smacked. You should trademark that.

[himher 634]

Re read your own post, that's what you said, if you didn't mean what you said, fine, but I am posting in response to this:

This is a thread about a family who stopped for gas at a random station and were beaten not because they or I hated anyone but because people who had different skin color who lived in the community that they stopped in hated them. Then the incident was "determined to not fall under the definition of a hate crime".

As for the sentencing argument, re read your own article, it's all there in black and white. Believe it or not, that's up to you but I think the prosecution office knows more than you do.

There all fixed. What say you now?

This is the statute.

A. It shall be unlawful for any person to select the victim of the following offenses against person and property because of actual or perceived race, age, gender, religion, color, creed, disability, sexual orientation, national origin, or ancestry of that person or the owner or occupant of that property or because of actual or perceived membership or service in, or employment with, an organization: first or second degree murder; manslaughter; battery; aggravated battery; second degree battery; aggravated assault with a firearm; terrorizing; mingling harmful substances; simple, forcible, or aggravated rape; sexual battery, second degree sexual battery; oral sexual battery; carnal knowledge of a juvenile; indecent behavior with juveniles; molestation of a juvenile; simple, second degree, or aggravated kidnapping; simple or aggravated arson; placing combustible materials; communicating of false information of planned arson; simple or aggravated criminal damage to property; contamination of water supplies; simple or aggravated burglary; criminal trespass; simple, first degree, or armed robbery; purse snatching; extortion; theft; desecration of graves; institutional vandalism; or assault by drive-by shooting.

B. If the underlying offense named in Subsection A of this Section is a misdemeanor, and the victim of the offense listed in Subsection A of this Section is selected in the manner proscribed by that Subsection, the offender may be fined not more than five hundred dollars or imprisoned for not more than six months, or both. This sentence shall run consecutively to the sentence for the underlying offense.

C. If the underlying offense named in Subsection A of this Section is a felony, and the victim of the offense listed in Subsection A of this Section is selected in the manner proscribed by that Subsection, the offender may be fined not more than five thousand dollars or imprisoned with or without hard labor for not more than five years, or both. This sentence shall run consecutively to the sentence for the underlying offense.

This is the habitual offender statute:

http://legis.la.gov/lss/lss.asp?doc=79154

The DA might have talked them out of tacking on the hate crime charge but the statute for hate crimes says that the sentence is passed for the underlying offense then the additional time is tacked on for the hate crime. Almost every state has the same statute.

[Peikko 1,575]

Exactly, if he is convicted under the offense of battery, he can get a maximum of 5 years plus whatever is determined for it being a racially motivated crime (which the DA says is difficult to prove in court)

The maximum sentence for habitual criminal behaviour in his case is likely to be life. Hmm, which sentence is more severe? Can't possibly imagine.

I'm not sure what you think you fixed. I asked you how you could possibly determine that the entire community hated white people based on the actions of 3 people. You said you didn't say anything about the entire community, but apparently even you agree that you did, although you disagree with what you actually meant. That makes you wrong, not me.

[himher 634]

Exactly, if he is convicted under the offense of battery, he can get a maximum of 5 years plus whatever is determined for it being a racially motivated crime (which the DA says is difficult to prove in court)

The maximum sentence for habitual criminal behaviour in his case is likely to be life. Hmm, which sentence is more severe? Can't possibly imagine.

I'm not sure what you think you fixed. I asked you how you could possibly determine that the entire community hated white people based on the actions of 3 people. You said you didn't say anything about the entire community, but apparently even you agree that you did, although you disagree with what you actually meant. That makes you wrong, not me.

Hey if you just needed some clarification because you took a remark out of context I was quite happy to reboot your attention.

Louisiana habitual offender law summary

Sentencing:

On a second felony conviction (one prior conviction) the minimum penalty is ½ the maximum term of imprisonment applicable to a first offender; the maximum penalty is double the maximum term of imprisonment applicable to a first offender.

On a third felony conviction (two prior convictions) the minimum penalty is 2/3 the maximum applicable to a first offender; the maximum penalty is double the maximum applicable to a first offender. However, if the last and two prior felony convictions were for crimes of violence OR sex crimes against a person under 18 OR drug crimes punishable by ten years or more OR any crimes punishable by twelve years or more, the sentence for the 3^rd felony conviction is NATURAL LIFE imprisonment without parole.

On a fourth or subsequent conviction (three prior convictions) the minimum penalty is twenty years at hard labor and the maximum penalty is NATURAL LIFE imprisonment without parole. (this is what this dirtbag is facing)

You don't get CHARGED as a habitual offender genius. You get SENTENCED as one. Application of the hate crime statute does not affect your SENTENCE for the FELONY you got convicted of. In your example this offender would get 20 years to life + up to 5 years if sentenced as a habitual offender with special circumstances (hate crime)

"The department, however, asked for the FBI’s help in the investigation. Dabadie said it's up to the FBI to see if federal hate crime charges might be applicable in this case."

Edited September 15, 2013 by himher

[Danno 1,228]

These isn't me saying it, it's a link to the website. My mother printed out the paperwork and read it.

Wait a minute, I thought your Mom was an Educator?

Why Can just imagine all those poor white kids hearing her read that Letter and then feeling the guilt and shame (as I did) ...... and off they go into life believing more B.S. history... because Teach told em.

The William Lynch speech is an address purportedly delivered by a certain William Lynch (or Willie Lynch) to an audience on the bank of the James River in Virginia in 1712 regarding control of slaves within the colony.^[1] The letter purports to be a verbatim account of a short speech given by a slave owner, in which he tells other slave masters that he has discovered the "secret" to controlling black slaves by setting them against one another. The document has been in print since at least 1970, but first gained widespread notice in the 1990s, when it appeared on the Internet.^[2] Since then, it has often been promoted as an authentic account of slavery during the 18th century, though its inaccuracies and anachronisms have led historians to conclude that it is a hoax.^[2][3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lynch_speech

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No need to thank me, .....bringing the light of truth is my little hobby,..... though this one was easy to see as a fraud.

And I have no doubt you will continue to use it to make a point as you still do with the "white spree shooter" think after I showed in math how Blacks are MORE LIKELY to commit a spree shooting.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

This is a thread about a family who stopped for gas at a random station and were beaten not because they or I hated anyone but because the community that they stopped in hated them. Then the incident was "determined to not fall under the definition of a hate crime".

I do not understand how any community or any family can have so much self-loathing, hate, and contempt for themselves that they can throw their own lives down the toilet. When they do however it effects others (see above) and it is this that I do not have any tolerance for.

Idly wondering do you have any comment on the Stillman researchers who determined your "breeding speech" to be a fake? (or at least an admission that you were being manipulated into hate and anger by false, fake propaganda?) Do you believe that it is acceptable for you to post blatantly false racist hate speech on a public forum and if so what exempts you from the consequences that everyone else has to face? Have you ever vistied Stillman? When I lived over there they didn't even HAVE a football team. Those students were there to learn. Period.

Herschel noted that someone was fired and had their career destroyed for saying exactly what you said about "breeding" and sports. The reason that this person was fired is because it was determined that what he said was blatently racist. If this is the case, then what you said, which is EXACTLY what he said, was also blatently racist. Crickets from you though. Crickets from you on 20% more money spend per student in the cesspool of the Chicago school district. Crickets from you on your fake speech article. I don't hate you but I don't respect you when you float fake speeches and I don't respect your silence when the data that is put in front of you directly contradicts the excuses and justifications that you float for the crime and violence in the black community.

Respect? Let's talk about that for a second:

You avoided my question. I don't have a problem if you want to talk about what plagues the black community. But let's be clear, your community isn't squeaky clean as well. Plus, not every black person is filled with self hatred or on drugs like you claim. But I know that's what you believe. Because you point it out in every thread. Even when it's not blacks doing the killing. It's funny how the quips fly when the perp is black, but when a white guy goes and kills 20 plus men, women and children, why does you attitude change? You still point to DC, Baltimore, Chicago. If you're going to have a discussion about guns and gun deaths, don't change positions when the color changes. Because you're only interested when it's a black person behind the trigger.

Now if the article is fake, I'll let my mother know and she needs to do her research better. I should have fact checked it before I sent it out but since she is never wrong it's not a habit I need to pick up. But your racist statements and attitude have been noted by more than just me. You want to have this conversation and talk about respect? Then stop talking down about me or my people.

Wait a minute, I thought your Mom was an Educator?

Why Can just imagine all those poor white kids hearing her read that Letter and then feeling the guilt and shame (as I did) ...... and off they go into life believing more B.S. history... because Teach told em.

The William Lynch speech is an address purportedly delivered by a certain William Lynch (or Willie Lynch) to an audience on the bank of the James River in Virginia in 1712 regarding control of slaves within the colony.^[1] The letter purports to be a verbatim account of a short speech given by a slave owner, in which he tells other slave masters that he has discovered the "secret" to controlling black slaves by setting them against one another. The document has been in print since at least 1970, but first gained widespread notice in the 1990s, when it appeared on the Internet.^[2] Since then, it has often been promoted as an authentic account of slavery during the 18th century, though its inaccuracies and anachronisms have led historians to conclude that it is a hoax.^[2][3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lynch_speech

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No need to thank me, .....bringing the light of truth is my little hobby,..... though this one was easy to see as a fraud.

And I have no doubt you will continue to use it to make a point as you still do with the "white spree shooter" think after I showed in math how Blacks are MORE LIKELY to commit a spree shooting.

1. My mother has been teaching in the black community for 40 years, just retired last year. She found this article, she didn't fact check it.

2. List the top ten spree killers within the last 25 years. How many were black? One.

[Danno 1,228]

Well since Marvin brought it up I tried to get an answer as to -How often do stats show interracial crimes occur so we might shed light on whether Hate crimes reflect that.

In stead he returned with more hate-crime numbers so I had to do a little digging on my own.

Below I have one chart which clearly shows Blacks attack Whites at Much greater numbers than the other way..... even though Blacks are a much smaller population. Which begs the question of why so few attacks by Blacks are found to be hate-crimes?

Anyway on of the most stunning bit of info on interracial rape. Was the Numbers.

All my life I have heard these stories of White men who could not keep their hands of of the Slaves and how these racist whites would use rape as a way of degrading Black women ... on up to the endless movies from hollywood with the same theme (A time to kill) and here when we look at the numbers below

it is not White men who long to force Black women into sex but Black men raping white women in pretty healthy numbers.

NOw the chart below has the victims race on the left and the reported race of the criminal across the chart.

What is so stunning is that statistically ZERO white men raped Black women. (or not enough to even register)

Are we to suppose White men lost the hankering to rape and debase Black women?

(Go below to Table 42)

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus0802.pdf

[himher 634]

Respect? Let's talk about that for a second:

You avoided my question. I don't have a problem if you want to talk about what plagues the black community. But let's be clear, your community isn't squeaky clean as well. Plus, not every black person is filled with self hatred or on drugs like you claim. But I know that's what you believe. Because you point it out in every thread. Even when it's not blacks doing the killing. It's funny how the quips fly when the perp is black, but when a white guy goes and kills 20 plus men, women and children, why does you attitude change? You still point to DC, Baltimore, Chicago. If you're going to have a discussion about guns and gun deaths, don't change positions when the color changes. Because you're only interested when it's a black person behind the trigger.

Now if the article is fake, I'll let my mother know and she needs to do her research better. I should have fact checked it before I sent it out but since she is never wrong it's not a habit I need to pick up. But your racist statements and attitude have been noted by more than just me. You want to have this conversation and talk about respect? Then stop talking down about me or my people.

1. My mother has been teaching in the black community for 40 years, just retired last year. She found this article, she didn't fact check it.

2. List the top ten spree killers within the last 25 years. How many were black? One.

I haven't avoided a dam thing cricket man. You ask a question and then don't like the answer then though luck. We are not talking about "my" community in this thread. Those are other threads and you are usually the one who starts them. I couldn't point to Chicago or to the homicide rates if they weren't published and available to everyone to find. By the FBI. So since it's there and since it's true I guess it's earned "ain't" it?

I am interested because when a black man pulls a trigger when the solution of the black community is to dare stupidly suggest that the answer to black men pulling the trigger is to take money away from me by spending more of my money on black schools or programs for black kids or take away my right to defend myself or suggest that the reason the trigger is done is because I had something to do with slavery or I had something to do with past racial problems. You do this, your elected officials do this, you all do this. So a black man kills someone and it is put on my shoulders and the vast majority of the black community gets behind him and shifts responsibility onto my community. I don't like that and I don't like them and you doing that.

On the other hand, when a white man kills someone, he gets charged and convicted and it really doesn't mean that I have to pay more taxes for all of his friends and relatives to get special programs (his community doesn't think they have to get paid and rewarded for it like yours does) so I don't quite have the same concern about it. Get the difference sport? It is you and people like you who shift responsibility for those actions on uninvolved people then you dare to cry like a girl-child when those uninvolved people don't like it? Cry elsewhere. Seriously. Or put the responsibility where it belongs.

Like I said, spree killings (to me) include random shootings into crowds at parks and bus stops and club parking lots. They occur weekly, and not in the white community. I realize in your mind it's only "spree" when the shooter is white and black shooters who shoot up bus stops are just misunderstood kids but bus stop, parking lot, and park shootings into crowds happen a lot more often than schools and theaters.

Get it? When the community, including you, puts the responsibility squarely on the perp then it won't trigger any interest from me at all.

[Jacque67 7,328]

Astounding.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I haven't avoided a dam thing cricket man. You ask a question and then don't like the answer then though luck. We are not talking about "my" community in this thread. Those are other threads and you are usually the one who starts them. I couldn't point to Chicago or to the homicide rates if they weren't published and available to everyone to find. By the FBI. So since it's there and since it's true I guess it's earned "ain't" it?

I am interested because when a black man pulls a trigger when the solution of the black community is to dare stupidly suggest that the answer to black men pulling the trigger is to take money away from me by spending more of my money on black schools or programs for black kids or take away my right to defend myself or suggest that the reason the trigger is done is because I had something to do with slavery or I had something to do with past racial problems. You do this, your elected officials do this, you all do this. So a black man kills someone and it is put on my shoulders and the vast majority of the black community gets behind him and shifts responsibility onto my community. I don't like that and I don't like them and you doing that.

On the other hand, when a white man kills someone, he gets charged and convicted and it really doesn't mean that I have to pay more taxes for all of his friends and relatives to get special programs (his community doesn't think they have to get paid and rewarded for it like yours does) so I don't quite have the same concern about it. Get the difference sport? It is you and people like you who shift responsibility for those actions on uninvolved people then you dare to cry like a girl-child when those uninvolved people don't like it? Cry elsewhere. Seriously. Or put the responsibility where it belongs.

Like I said, spree killings (to me) include random shootings into crowds at parks and bus stops and club parking lots. They occur weekly, and not in the white community. I realize in your mind it's only "spree" when the shooter is white and black shooters who shoot up bus stops are just misunderstood kids but bus stop, parking lot, and park shootings into crowds happen a lot more often than schools and theaters.

Get it? When the community, including you, puts the responsibility squarely on the perp then it won't trigger any interest from me at all.

What are you talking about?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Well since Marvin brought it up I tried to get an answer as to -How often do stats show interracial crimes occur so we might shed light on whether Hate crimes reflect that.

In stead he returned with more hate-crime numbers so I had to do a little digging on my own.

Below I have one chart which clearly shows Blacks attack Whites at Much greater numbers than the other way..... even though Blacks are a much smaller population. Which begs the question of why so few attacks by Blacks are found to be hate-crimes?

Anyway on of the most stunning bit of info on interracial rape. Was the Numbers.

All my life I have heard these stories of White men who could not keep their hands of of the Slaves and how these racist whites would use rape as a way of degrading Black women ... on up to the endless movies from hollywood with the same theme (A time to kill) and here when we look at the numbers below

it is not White men who long to force Black women into sex but Black men raping white women in pretty healthy numbers.

NOw the chart below has the victims race on the left and the reported race of the criminal across the chart.

What is so stunning is that statistically ZERO white men raped Black women. (or not enough to even register)

Are we to suppose White men lost the hankering to rape and debase Black women?

(Go below to Table 42)

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cvus0802.pdf

Considering back then blacks had no rights and were treated as property, one could surmise it's not so easy to thrust yourself upon the help without consequences.

[Danno 1,228]

Considering back then blacks had no rights and were treated as property, one could surmise it's not so easy to thrust yourself upon the help without consequences.

Not sure what you mean. I point out that there were so few incidents of white males sexually assaulting Black females in recent studies

that none even measures on "victim reporting" data and you counter that with talk about thrusting ones self on "the help".

Blacks seem to find "white"targets to rape and I am sure they are not "domestic help".

In fact we see Blacks rape white women in greater numbers than their population would suggest.

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[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Not sure what you mean. I point out that there were so few incidents of white males sexually assaulting Black females in recent studies

that none even measures on "victim reporting" data and you counter that with talk about thrusting ones self on "the help".

Blacks seem to find "white"targets to rape and I am sure they are not "domestic help".

In fact we see Blacks rape white women in greater numbers than their population would suggest.

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Here's a question for you. How many rapes do you think were reported by black women back then? Who would listen? What rights did they have?

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/celia/celiaaccount.html

Take a good look at it.

Now for your second part:

Do you know why this is? I'm no expert but I would guess it's because the black woman in constantly told she is not beautiful. Type in black women least attractive and there are tons of links talking about it. Look towards members here, who have said they find black women to be unattractive. It's ingrained into our brains that white women are the pinnacle of perfection here in the US and overseas. I've said it before in Japan, Korea, and China, they worship white skin. You see more white women on billboards promoting skin products and clothes than Asian women that actually look better than the women in the advertisement. I know black women who get weave, blue contacts, and blonde hair trying to emulate white women, and that's sad because you should be happy with who you are and how God made you.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Here's a question for you. How many rapes do you think were reported by black women back then? Who would listen? What rights did they have?

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/celia/celiaaccount.html

Take a good look at it.

Now for your second part:

Do you know why this is? I'm no expert but I would guess it's because the black woman in constantly told she is not beautiful. Type in black women least attractive and there are tons of links talking about it. Look towards members here, who have said they find black women to be unattractive. It's ingrained into our brains that white women are the pinnacle of perfection here in the US and overseas. I've said it before in Japan, Korea, and China, they worship white skin. You see more white women on billboards promoting skin products and clothes than Asian women that actually look better than the women in the advertisement. I know black women who get weave, blue contacts, and blonde hair trying to emulate white women, and that's sad because you should be happy with who you are and how God made you.

Now true this Marvin...We have talked about this before.. I was brought up to think there was no such thing as a desirable black woman. I remember when Phylicia Rashad first became famous. It's the first black woman that I ever heard white boys whisper about, with sexual intentions. Then Vanessa Williams kind of blew the lid off. There are a lot of beautiful black women out there.I wish I had become aware of that earlier..

As for the standard of white beauty world wide..Yup. My wife and her friends avoid the sun like the plague.The sale of whiting products in the Philippines is huge. White skin is the ideal of beauty over there. They call it exotic beauty when a darker skinned Pinay is thought to be so sexy by American men.

My wife started to buy some whiting soap the other day. I jokingly told her that if i had wanted a white woman I would have married one.

Perception of beauty is cultural. At onetime in my life I thought skinny blonde women were the epitome of beauty.They do nothing for me now. I like big butts and I can not lie.