Getting a Social Security Number In Advance

[TucsonBill 0]

I read somewhere that my fiance can apply for a Social Security number before she even comes to the US. Any comments?

[payxibka 10,047]

I read somewhere that my fiance can apply for a Social Security number before she even comes to the US. Any comments?

Where is MDYoung when you need him.......

[TucsonBill 0]

If I remember right, I read it in a pamphlet while I was at the local USCIS office here in Tucson with some questions, (very early on in this process). If I remember right, the application could be submitted at the same time as the K-1 visa application and the Consulate would play some role in seeing that the aplication was processed if the visa was approved - or 'something like that' - I just remember reading the brochure that there was a way to combine this with the process.

Bill

[payxibka 10,047]

I went to the SSA website an in the FAQ was the following:

My immigration document shows K-1. How do I get a work Social Security number?

Answer

The K-1 symbol on your immigration document indicates that you are the fiancé of a U.S. citizen and you are eligible to work. We, therefore, can assign you a number and card so that you can work.

To apply for a Social Security number:

Complete an Application For A Social Security Card (Form SS-5); and

Show us documents proving:

Immigration status;

Work eligibility;

Age; and

Identity.

Take your completed application and documents to your local Social Security office.

If she is out of the country then it would be hard to bring the docs to the local office. You might be thinking of the option available to IR1/CR1 visa applicants.

[Yodrak 7]

Bill,

Sounds like you're thinking of a question on the DS-230 that applies only to immigrants, and even in that case the card is not issued until after the immigrant arrives in the USA. (If everything goes right. Sometimes the immigrant does not receive a card and has to go apply in person anyway.)

Yodrak

If I remember right, I read it in a pamphlet while I was at the local USCIS office here in Tucson with some questions, (very early on in this process). If I remember right, the application could be submitted at the same time as the K-1 visa application and the Consulate would play some role in seeing that the aplication was processed if the visa was approved - or 'something like that' - I just remember reading the brochure that there was a way to combine this with the process.

Bill

Edited December 8, 2006 by Yodrak

[TucsonBill 0]

Ok, I found this on the Social Security Administration website, regarding thier agenda for 2007:

Assigning Social Security Numbers to Fiancé Visa Nonimmigrants

Objective

To (1) evaluate SSA’s compliance in assigning SSNs to fiancé visa nonimmigrants and (2) determine whether vulnerabilities exist in this process that may allow noncitizen fiance’s whose immigration status has expired to remain in the United States and improperly use their SSNs.

Background

U.S. citizens who are engaged to a foreign national may petition the State Department for a fiancé classification. The marriage must take place within 90 days of the fiancé entering the United States. If the marriage does not take place within 90 days, the State Department requires that the fiancé leave the United States.

SSA policies and procedures state that fiancé visa holders are eligible to receive an SSN upon producing evidence of age, identity and a valid, unexpired U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Form I-94, Arrival-Departure Record, which contains the appropriate certification from DHS that entry to the United States has been permitted with a fiancé visa classification. SSA assigns about 14,000 original SSNs annually to individuals who have fiancé visas. SSA field office personnel have expressed concern that the Agency assigns SSNs to fiancé visa holders whose legal duration of stay in the United States may only be 90 days. An SSN card makes it easier for individuals who do not marry to remain in the United States.

Bill

[no name 1]

Ok, I found this on the Social Security Administration website, regarding thier agenda for 2007:

Assigning Social Security Numbers to Fiancé Visa Nonimmigrants

Objective

To (1) evaluate SSA’s compliance in assigning SSNs to fiancé visa nonimmigrants and (2) determine whether vulnerabilities exist in this process that may allow noncitizen fiance’s whose immigration status has expired to remain in the United States and improperly use their SSNs.

Background

U.S. citizens who are engaged to a foreign national may petition the State Department for a fiancé classification. The marriage must take place within 90 days of the fiancé entering the United States. If the marriage does not take place within 90 days, the State Department requires that the fiancé leave the United States.

SSA policies and procedures state that fiancé visa holders are eligible to receive an SSN upon producing evidence of age, identity and a valid, unexpired U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Form I-94, Arrival-Departure Record, which contains the appropriate certification from DHS that entry to the United States has been permitted with a fiancé visa classification. SSA assigns about 14,000 original SSNs annually to individuals who have fiancé visas. SSA field office personnel have expressed concern that the Agency assigns SSNs to fiancé visa holders whose legal duration of stay in the United States may only be 90 days. An SSN card makes it easier for individuals who do not marry to remain in the United States.

Bill

All that says is you are eligible for one. You still have to APPLY for it.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...om&page=ssn

[Kez/JWolf 6]

All that is saying is that they have concerns about issueing SSN to K1 visa holders... it in no way means you can apply before entry to the USA...

It may well be that with what the ombudsman has been saying and SSA's fears for SSN that K1 visa holders may loose the employment authorisation they have and therefore loose the right to a SSN until they have filed for AOS... it would not suprise me at all if this is what happens...

Kez

[TucsonBill 0]

Um - maybe I was not clear - I am agreeing with what Yodrak and others said, I just thought it might be of interest to those reading this thread that a review of the current proceedures is planned in 2007.

Bill

Edited December 8, 2006 by TucsonBill

[Yodrak 7]

Bill,

It was very much of interest. It was not entirely clear that you'd 'switched gears' with that post so some people failed to keep up with you.

Thanks for that item, maybe post it as a new thread in the Immigration News forum?

Yodrak

Um - maybe I was not clear - I am agreeing with what Yodrak and others said, I just thought it might be of interest to those reading this thread that a review of the current proceedures is planned in 2007.

Bill

[TucsonBill 0]

I tried following your recomendation regarding the Immigration News forum, but it appears that forum is moderated now and new topics must be approved first.

Bill

Bill,

It was very much of interest. It was not entirely clear that you'd 'switched gears' with that post so some people failed to keep up with you.

Thanks for that item, maybe post it as a new thread in the Immigration News forum?

Yodrak

Um - maybe I was not clear - I am agreeing with what Yodrak and others said, I just thought it might be of interest to those reading this thread that a review of the current proceedures is planned in 2007.

Bill

[Yodrak 7]

Bill,

I didn't realize that. Let's see if this one will be approved.

Yodrak

I tried following your recomendation regarding the Immigration News forum, but it appears that forum is moderated now and new topics must be approved first.

Bill

Edited December 8, 2006 by Yodrak

[cshell 0]

When my fiance comes through JFK if they do not stamp him for the EAD does that mean that he can't get a SS #?

[rebeccajo 14]

It doesn't matter whether he gets the temp stamp on entry or not.

Process for obtaining a SS number remains the same.

[TucsonBill 0]

When my fiance comes through JFK if they do not stamp him for the EAD does that mean that he can't get a SS #?

SSA policies and procedures state that fiancé visa holders are eligible to receive an SSN upon producing evidence of age, identity and a valid, unexpired U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Form I-94, Arrival-Departure Record, which contains the appropriate certification from DHS that entry to the United States has been permitted with a fiancé visa classification.

It doesn't say anything about requiring EAD - and I think I read they stopped doing that at the POE. As I understand the EAD, it's really no good for obtaining permanent employment, becuse it's only good for 90 days - but I've read other posts were people have gotten jobs and continued working beyond the 90 days so I'm not really sure.

We're planning on just waiting for AOS before Pao tries to get any kind of job.

Bill