Which region or country gets the most help on VJ?

[stevie b 141]

Haha... Yes, not a big influx of Fijian Immigrants I would imagine!

+1

LOL...sometimes it feels like no one cares about you or your question/country....unless they are from your country and again if they are from your country they need just as much help as you....Unless...they are a senior member and they are amongst the true veterans of VJ.

OOOO NOOOOO

I don't feel nobody cares.. there is just nobody with my embassy specific questions to help with

it's ok.. got my interview date now and I am relentless at getting my own info

[NikLR 13,227]

Stevie b better stick around and help the other Fiji immigrants!

[Chynna/gapamix 11]

Yes Stevie b it will be best to stick around... Fiji will need you.

And you are right Christeen, I should rephrase that... People do care on VJ....

[Protocol417 161]

I like the region-specific forums because there is a lot of stuff that applies to other countries, but not mine. I didn't find out about the region-specifics until later in the process and ended up doing a bit more work than I needed to because ours is an easier embassy.

Honestly haven't gotten too much help from individual members when I do post questions. It seems that most of the responses I get are either from people who are newer than I am and have the same question or are veterans who get irritated at you because you misread something, didn't catch a post on page 56 of a forum longer than the collective works of Shakespeare, or are just in information overload. I like the advanced search feature and have gotten a few questions answered that way, but a couple times I've had a question and the only previous forums I could find were several years old so I didn't know if the answers were still correct. A lot of stuff, including some of the posts pinned at the top of topic forums, is very outdated.

[Vanitas 310]

I like the region-specific forums because there is a lot of stuff that applies to other countries, but not mine. I didn't find out about the region-specifics until later in the process and ended up doing a bit more work than I needed to because ours is an easier embassy.

Honestly haven't gotten too much help from individual members when I do post questions. It seems that most of the responses I get are either from people who are newer than I am and have the same question or are veterans who get irritated at you because you misread something, didn't catch a post on page 56 of a forum longer than the collective works of Shakespeare, or are just in information overload. I like the advanced search feature and have gotten a few questions answered that way, but a couple times I've had a question and the only previous forums I could find were several years old so I didn't know if the answers were still correct. A lot of stuff, including some of the posts pinned at the top of topic forums, is very outdated.

Judging someone on whether they're newer than you or not can be hit-and-miss. They might well be wrong, but on the other hand they might be a quick study and have learnt the basics of their process quickly and somewhat accurately. I like to think I've fallen into the latter category given I didn't start offering any detailed advice for a good while until I'd had time to read some veteran responses. Even then I stick to K1 stuff and leave other processes to more knowledgeable people.

That said? You're right. A lot of the veterans do look down upon those of us who need a bit more help at times but that said, I personally get annoyed with some people who want their hand held for the entire process. There's one person in the UK forum (and you might tweak as to who I'm referring to) who has posted a separate topic asking for help every single time they come up against the most minor of obstacles like "how do I answer this field on this form". If they aren't going to get it now or try and use a bit of logic, they are going to have a hell of a time doing AOS, ROC and then Naturalization.

Asking questions is a good thing, all said. It's the key to understanding which then leads to knowledge. The trick is knowing when to ask the question to yourself and find the answer via your own means - or when you hit a brick wall when to ask out loud and understand that way. Once I was told "You don't question this veteran". But if we don't question either to ourselves or openly, it gets harder to understand and then eventually help others ourselves.

[stevie b 141]

Stevie b better stick around and help the other Fiji immigrants!

I assume you will be sending me some video games to keep me busy

Yes Stevie b it will be best to stick around... Fiji will need you.

And you are right Christeen, I should rephrase that... People do care on VJ....

aahhh yes and I need Fiji

. It seems that most of the responses I get are either from people who are newer than I am and have the same question or are veterans who get irritated at you because you misread something, didn't catch a post on page 56 of a forum longer than the collective works of Shakespeare, or are just in information overload.

+1 lol

the good news is when the newbies answer, they are usually at that phase in the process and are answering based on the most current processes

[stevie b 141]

I personally get annoyed with some people who want their hand held for the entire process. .

yip I call it spoon feeding ... all too often especially when there are many here who have found most of their answers in a good way either here or there on their own

[NikLR 13,227]

yip I call it spoon feeding ... all too often especially when there are many here who have found most of their answers in a good way either here or there on their own

My husband calls it perpetuating stupid. LOL

[stevie b 141]

My husband calls it perpetuating stupid. LOL

no that is what I did when I left the jane doe field intact as my wife's first name and then after being overwhelmingly confident in my nvc filings finding out I did not indicate my military service which led to another month's delay

needless to say jane was not very happy

[NikLR 13,227]

Overconfidence isn't perpetuating stupid. You learned.

Perpetuating stupid is when we spoon feed people the answers instead of making them find out for themselves and learning. It's like giving the answers to the people taking the test instead of making them learn the stuff. I learned it. That's why I've stuck around to help other people learn. I still learn more all the time.

[stevie b 141]

Overconfidence isn't perpetuating stupid. You learned.

Perpetuating stupid is when we spoon feed people the answers instead of making them find out for themselves and learning. It's like giving the answers to the people taking the test instead of making them learn the stuff. I learned it. That's why I've stuck around to help other people learn. I still learn more all the time.

yess ofc I agree

actually it's more like the whole teach a man to fish thingy lol

some people will always starve

[Vanitas 310]

Overconfidence isn't perpetuating stupid. You learned.

Perpetuating stupid is when we spoon feed people the answers instead of making them find out for themselves and learning. It's like giving the answers to the people taking the test instead of making them learn the stuff. I learned it. That's why I've stuck around to help other people learn. I still learn more all the time.

Exactly my point.

[Chynna/gapamix 11]

Judging someone on whether they're newer than you or not can be hit-and-miss. They might well be wrong, but on the other hand they might be a quick study and have learnt the basics of their process quickly and somewhat accurately. I like to think I've fallen into the latter category given I didn't start offering any detailed advice for a good while until I'd had time to read some veteran responses. Even then I stick to K1 stuff and leave other processes to more knowledgeable people.

That said? You're right. A lot of the veterans do look down upon those of us who need a bit more help at times but that said, I personally get annoyed with some people who want their hand held for the entire process. There's one person in the UK forum (and you might tweak as to who I'm referring to) who has posted a separate topic asking for help every single time they come up against the most minor of obstacles like "how do I answer this field on this form". If they aren't going to get it now or try and use a bit of logic, they are going to have a hell of a time doing AOS, ROC and then Naturalization.

Asking questions is a good thing, all said. It's the key to understanding which then leads to knowledge. The trick is knowing when to ask the question to yourself and find the answer via your own means - or when you hit a brick wall when to ask out loud and understand that way. Once I was told "You don't question this veteran". But if we don't question either to ourselves or openly, it gets harder to understand and then eventually help others ourselves

yip I call it spoon feeding ... all too often especially when there are many here who have found most of their answers in a good way either here or there on their own

I definitely agree with you both regarding the amount of questions coming from one individual during the process...It's like a question a day about the each step to take.

[Protocol417 161]

Judging someone on whether they're newer than you or not can be hit-and-miss. They might well be wrong, but on the other hand they might be a quick study and have learnt the basics of their process quickly and somewhat accurately.

Once I was told "You don't question this veteran". But if we don't question either to ourselves or openly, it gets harder to understand and then eventually help others ourselves.

+1 lol

the good news is when the newbies answer, they are usually at that phase in the process and are answering based on the most current processes

Oh, I meant those who were newer than me AND had the same question (as in, they weren't providing an answer, just saying "yeah, I was wondering that too"). I guess I could've left out that qualifier. Wasn't trying to diss new people!

I do often wonder how up-to-date veterans keep themselves.

[Pooky 3,784]

I do often wonder how up-to-date veterans keep themselves.

Personally, I'm about as up-to-date as a Commodore 64.

That's why I haven't ventured into the Upper Fora since ... oh, let me see ... About 2005.