Showdown on the streets of Washington DC

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

The news source that was linked in the GZ thread yesterday wasn't facebook, it was WKMG channel 6 in Orlando. And do you have any idea what my "I told you so" was in reference too? It was in reference to GZ not being able to keep himself out of trouble and the spotlight. What was I wrong about?

What do you make of your post in that same thread?

I get that you have trouble keeping up with the regular kids here on VJ, but you shouldn't go out of way to embarrass yourself.

You were wrong about Big Z being in trouble for starters.

[Darnell 8,479]

Speaking of thread drift Darnell'O, what has happened to your usuall sig of young Asian girls? Have the authorities gotten involved?

Silly. I use a PC, and know how to turn it off or on, per post.

[Novembro 1,763]

I tried, maven.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

So you don't believe planes took the buildings down but also don't believe there was a cover up

Oh do tell

All I said was that I do not believe that planes caused buildings to go into freefall. I don't know WHAT happened.

I find it odd that so many people, before buildings fell, were telling news stations about the loud explosions they heard and how people in the basements were hurt by them. That's not a conspiracy theory, it's a fact that that's what those people heard and saw. That's all.

Anyway. It's clear an actual discussion about that day isn't possible here, and I had a feeling it wouldn't be. It's a shame, because some of the information out there is pretty interesting.

[Novembro 1,763]

You were wrong about Big Z being in trouble for starters.

Big Macs are now buy one get one free.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

I tried, maven.

Your efforts are appreciated, padawan. When I'm done writing this pleading, I'll be all over that.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Big Macs are now buy one get one free.

Although we rarely agree I had to +1 you for awesome humor good job

[Novembro 1,763]

Although we rarely agree I had to +1 you for awesome humor good job

You're a peach.

[Teddy B 17,252]

You were wrong about Big Z being in trouble for starters.

No, I wasn't. Having the police called on you for a domestic battery and brandishing a gun is being in trouble. The only reason he wasn't arrested and charged is because his wife decided not to press charges.

Silly. I use a PC, and know how to turn it off or on, per post.

Atta Boy!

[ready4ONE 5,400]

What about the American Civilians who were attacked on 9/11?

Bikers have ride in funerals of soldiers and in other events so its not like they are doing it for first time.

Sounds either way you are in support of terrorist and ppl who attacked US, good for you.

Couple of news flashes for you:

1) Muslims were among the 'American Civilians' attacked on 9/11.

2) The bikers can still ride.

3) The marching Muslims are not terrorists, they are marching, amongst other things, to correctly point out that they are not terrorists simply by virtue of being Muslim.

Get a grip!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Listen, I am not claiming any kind of cover up. Read what I'm saying. I'm saying I have questions about what happened. No blame being put on anyone. Not accusing anyone of anything.

You're saying that you believe it is possible, maybe even plausible, that the towers came down in a controlled demolition. For that to be the case, there would have to be a massive cover-up. You can't have a controlled demolition of these structures masqueraded as a terrorist attack without a massive cover-up. So if you don't believe that there was a massive cover-up, then you are rejecting the idea of a controlled demolition. Can't have the latter without the former.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

You're saying that you believe it is possible, maybe even plausible, that the towers came down in a controlled demolition. For that to be the case, there would have to be a massive cover-up. You can't have a controlled demolition of these structures masqueraded as a terrorist attack without a massive cover-up. So if you don't believe that there was a massive cover-up, then you are rejecting the idea of a controlled demolition. Can't have the latter without the former.

I suppose. I'm not attempting to form any theories, I just have questions about the explanations given and the eyewitness accounts. I'm no expert.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

All I said was that I do not believe that planes caused buildings to go into freefall. I don't know WHAT happened.

I find it odd that so many people, before buildings fell, were telling news stations about the loud explosions they heard and how people in the basements were hurt by them. That's not a conspiracy theory, it's a fact that that's what those people heard and saw. That's all.

Anyway. It's clear an actual discussion about that day isn't possible here, and I had a feeling it wouldn't be. It's a shame, because some of the information out there is pretty interesting.

Here's a good summary of how the towers fell and why.

http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0112/eagar/eagar-0112.html

Here's a summary with a bit of visual aid.

There's no mystery as to why the towers fell. Or the order in which they fell. The second hit tower collapsed first because it was hit at a lower floor - i.e. the weakened structure had to carry significantly more weight making it collapse much faster than the North Tower which was hit at a much floor. The explosions? Try and snap metal beams that massive and see what kind of sound that makes. Seriously, there's no mystery here.

[Harsh_77 718]

Couple of news flashes for you:

1) Muslims were among the 'American Civilians' attacked on 9/11.

2) The bikers can still ride.

3) The marching Muslims are not terrorists, they are marching, amongst other things, to correctly point out that they are not terrorists simply by virtue of being Muslim.

Get a grip!

Bikers can still ride all broken down not as a group... uhhh difficult to understand?

Difficult to understand one group gets permission and other does not.... duh