Culture VS Islam

[Sofiyya 1,687]

This article may be helpfult o those considering reversion.

The Prerequisites of the Declaration of Faith

Take from it as you may. I don't agree with it all, but I wanted to highlight that there are conditions one should consider before conversion.

Edited December 9, 2006 by szsz

[sarah and hicham 3]

This article may be helpfult o those considering reversion.

The Prerequisites of the Declaration of Faith

chokran

[~Jackie~ 30]

This is one of the first times I have attempted online dawah I am sure all of the muslim sisters here have read the Quran, or at least have started to study its beauty. It is a long book to finish in 3 weeks if you attempt to read it during Ramadan.

One of our friends is preparing to leave soon for hajj. Is anyone here going?

Jackie

[sarah and hicham 3]

This is one of the first times I have attempted online dawah I am sure all of the muslim sisters here have read the Quran, or at least have started to study its beauty. It is a long book to finish in 3 weeks if you attempt to read it during Ramadan.

One of our friends is preparing to leave soon for hajj. Is anyone here going?

Jackie

Hicham's boss is going with his Mom for one month. They're very excited.

[~Jackie~ 30]

I am not sure what my chances are of ever going to Saudi, so in preparation, I have become addicted to studying Hajj. I have read books by Michael Wolfe, an American convert to Islam. I order DVD's from ebay about hajj. Anything I can get my hands on to experience this wonderful time.

Jackie

[Henia 11]

I must say that by this point I am thoroughly confused. A few days ago, in discussing alcohol, I got the impression that different interpretations are acceptable and that God is the judge, not other muslims.

Jenn: Alot of so-called pious people (Muslims in this case, but really this happens in every religion) develop a case of "I know it all" syndrone...

[Henia 11]

Being Muslim is not for the intellectually lazy. Remember the first word revealed to the Prophet was "read".

Amin. Thank you for stating that mybackpages... Islam tells us to think and behave moderately... yet there seems to be alot of know-it-all conversative extremists around!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Insha'allah, I have done a service to Jenn, Peezy, Karen and Sarah with my responses to their questions regarding my posts.

[Henia 11]

QUOTE(Karen_L @ Dec 8 2006, 01:21 PM) I took those statements to mean that there are some fundamental principles that people must agree with to call themselves Muslims (or Christians or whatever), which maybe has nothing to do with clothing or what t eat/not to eat.

Was it not too long ago that the belief and submission to the will of the one God meant you were Muslim?

I wonder what booklet the first Muslims got, to know how to be the "prefect" Muslim (and this could be applied to any religion really)

What happened to the divine qualities that are the ethical virtues to which all human beings should aim to be, like donnot kill, lie or cheat... when did it become so important to debate how to wear hijeb (or if wear at all) or whether or not you should do all your prayers in the exact times? I thought I rememebered reading Allah (the God translated) was all knowing and all merciful?!

I thought all those issues were addressed to be guidelines to aide the masses, if in doubt...not for a way for ####### puritans to enforce a strict and rigid system and make carbon copy humans in this world.

What happened to ijtihad (legal independent judgement based upon case law or past precedent)... common sense too?>

So when will we all recognize the ever-so growing danger of religious extremism and view the politicization of religion and the intrusion of religion into politics as parallel threats to civil society and humane civilization. Should we not dispute this intrusion?

The hadith "Difference of opinion in my Community is a mercy for people" has many benefits among which are the fact that the Prophet foretold of the differences that would arise after his time among the madhabs in the branches of the law, and this is one of his miracles because it is a foretelling of things unseen. Another benefit is his approval of these differences and his confirmation of them because he characterizes them as a mercy. Another benefit is that the legally responsible person can choose to follow whichever he likes among them. [After citing the saying of `Umar ibn `Abd al-`Aziz already quoted Suyuti continues:] This indicates that what is meant is their differences in the rulings in the branches of the law. And that is why I consider myself a Muslim and a Muslim only... Aaaaaaaaaand O ye...Do not pretain to know it ! (or preach with a whip in my hand or halo over my head)

Edited December 9, 2006 by Henia

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Was it not too long ago that the belief and submission to the will of the one God meant you were Muslim?

I wonder what booklet the first Muslims got, to know how to be the "prefect" Muslim (and this could be applied to any religion really)

What happened to the divine qualities that are the ethical virtues to which all human beings should aim to be, like donnot kill, lie or cheat... when did it become so important to debate how to wear hijeb (or if wear at all) or whether or not you should do all your prayers in the exact times? I thought I rememebered reading Allah (the God translated) was all knowing and all merciful?!

I thought all those issues were addressed to be guidelines to aide the masses, if in doubt...not for a way for ####### puritans to enforce a strict and rigid system and make carbon copy humans in this world.

What happened to ijtihad (legal independent judgement based upon case law or past precedent)... common sense too?>

So when will we all recognize the ever-so growing danger of religious extremism and view the politicization of religion and the intrusion of religion into politics as parallel threats to civil society and humane civilization. Should we not dispute this intrusion?

The hadith "Difference of opinion in my Community is a mercy for people" has many benefits among which are the fact that the Prophet foretold of the differences that would arise after his time among the madhabs in the branches of the law, and this is one of his miracles because it is a foretelling of things unseen. Another benefit is his approval of these differences and his confirmation of them because he characterizes them as a mercy. Another benefit is that the legally responsible person can choose to follow whichever he likes among them. [After citing the saying of `Umar ibn `Abd al-`Aziz already quoted Suyuti continues:] This indicates that what is meant is their differences in the rulings in the branches of the law. And that is why I consider myself a Muslim and a Muslim only...

I'm not sure what this is trying to say and how it has a relationship to the topic of culture vs. Islam.

As for the questions in the first part of the paragraph, Allah sent His Message and the prophets to guide submitters through all time; no booklets required. Also, He doesn't expect any of us to be perfect, and never has given us that expectation. That is why His mercy and compassion are emphasized.

Edited December 9, 2006 by szsz

[Henia 11]

I was referring to the fact I saw the "hijeb" issue appear in this a few times ...culture vs islam

and alot of ppl (Muslims) take their own culture and force it down the throats of others.

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

QUOTE(Karen_L @ Dec 8 2006, 01:21 PM) I took those statements to mean that there are some fundamental principles that people must agree with to call themselves Muslims (or Christians or whatever), which maybe has nothing to do with clothing or what t eat/not to eat.

Was it not too long ago that the belief and submission to the will of the one God meant you were Muslim?

I wonder what booklet the first Muslims got, to know how to be the "prefect" Muslim (and this could be applied to any religion really)

What happened to the divine qualities that are the ethical virtues to which all human beings should aim to be, like donnot kill, lie or cheat... when did it become so important to debate how to wear hijeb (or if wear at all) or whether or not you should do all your prayers in the exact times? I thought I rememebered reading Allah (the God translated) was all knowing and all merciful?!

I thought all those issues were addressed to be guidelines to aide the masses, if in doubt...not for a way for ####### puritans to enforce a strict and rigid system and make carbon copy humans in this world.

What happened to ijtihad (legal independent judgement based upon case law or past precedent)... common sense too?>

So when will we all recognize the ever-so growing danger of religious extremism and view the politicization of religion and the intrusion of religion into politics as parallel threats to civil society and humane civilization. Should we not dispute this intrusion?

The hadith "Difference of opinion in my Community is a mercy for people" has many benefits among which are the fact that the Prophet foretold of the differences that would arise after his time among the madhabs in the branches of the law, and this is one of his miracles because it is a foretelling of things unseen. Another benefit is his approval of these differences and his confirmation of them because he characterizes them as a mercy. Another benefit is that the legally responsible person can choose to follow whichever he likes among them. [After citing the saying of `Umar ibn `Abd al-`Aziz already quoted Suyuti continues:] This indicates that what is meant is their differences in the rulings in the branches of the law. And that is why I consider myself a Muslim and a Muslim only... Aaaaaaaaaand O ye...Do not pretain to know it ! (or preach with a whip in my hand or halo over my head)

i surrender, can we stay away from using this small font in the future?

(i don't have my reading glasses here with me)

Edited December 9, 2006 by charlesandnessa

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I hear ya! I'm not touching hijab with a ten foot pole! To each her own, imo.

[Henia 11]

QUOTE(Karen_L @ Dec 8 2006, 01:21 PM) I took those statements to mean that there are some fundamental principles that people must agree with to call themselves Muslims (or Christians or whatever), which maybe has nothing to do with clothing or what t eat/not to eat.

Was it not too long ago that the belief and submission to the will of the one God meant you were Muslim?

I wonder what booklet the first Muslims got, to know how to be the "prefect" Muslim (and this could be applied to any religion really)

What happened to the divine qualities that are the ethical virtues to which all human beings should aim to be, like donnot kill, lie or cheat... when did it become so important to debate how to wear hijeb (or if wear at all) or whether or not you should do all your prayers in the exact times? I thought I rememebered reading Allah (the God translated) was all knowing and all merciful?!

I thought all those issues were addressed to be guidelines to aide the masses, if in doubt...not for a way for ####### puritans to enforce a strict and rigid system and make carbon copy humans in this world.

What happened to ijtihad (legal independent judgement based upon case law or past precedent)... common sense too?>

So when will we all recognize the ever-so growing danger of religious extremism and view the politicization of religion and the intrusion of religion into politics as parallel threats to civil society and humane civilization. Should we not dispute this intrusion?

The hadith "Difference of opinion in my Community is a mercy for people" has many benefits among which are the fact that the Prophet foretold of the differences that would arise after his time among the madhabs in the branches of the law, and this is one of his miracles because it is a foretelling of things unseen. Another benefit is his approval of these differences and his confirmation of them because he characterizes them as a mercy. Another benefit is that the legally responsible person can choose to follow whichever he likes among them. [After citing the saying of `Umar ibn `Abd al-`Aziz already quoted Suyuti continues:] This indicates that what is meant is their differences in the rulings in the branches of the law. And that is why I consider myself a Muslim and a Muslim only... Aaaaaaaaaand O ye...Do not pretain to know it ! (or preach with a whip in my hand or halo over my head)

i surrender, can we stay away from using this small font in the future?

(i don't have my reading glasses here with me)

Sorry Charles, I was using the standard number 2 size... is this better?

I hear ya! I'm not touching hijab with a ten foot pole! To each her own, imo.

Ye...I am not touching it either...not even worth it!

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

QUOTE(Karen_L @ Dec 8 2006, 01:21 PM) I took those statements to mean that there are some fundamental principles that people must agree with to call themselves Muslims (or Christians or whatever), which maybe has nothing to do with clothing or what t eat/not to eat.

Was it not too long ago that the belief and submission to the will of the one God meant you were Muslim?

I wonder what booklet the first Muslims got, to know how to be the "prefect" Muslim (and this could be applied to any religion really)

What happened to the divine qualities that are the ethical virtues to which all human beings should aim to be, like donnot kill, lie or cheat... when did it become so important to debate how to wear hijeb (or if wear at all) or whether or not you should do all your prayers in the exact times? I thought I rememebered reading Allah (the God translated) was all knowing and all merciful?!

I thought all those issues were addressed to be guidelines to aide the masses, if in doubt...not for a way for ####### puritans to enforce a strict and rigid system and make carbon copy humans in this world.

What happened to ijtihad (legal independent judgement based upon case law or past precedent)... common sense too?>

So when will we all recognize the ever-so growing danger of religious extremism and view the politicization of religion and the intrusion of religion into politics as parallel threats to civil society and humane civilization. Should we not dispute this intrusion?

The hadith "Difference of opinion in my Community is a mercy for people" has many benefits among which are the fact that the Prophet foretold of the differences that would arise after his time among the madhabs in the branches of the law, and this is one of his miracles because it is a foretelling of things unseen. Another benefit is his approval of these differences and his confirmation of them because he characterizes them as a mercy. Another benefit is that the legally responsible person can choose to follow whichever he likes among them. [After citing the saying of `Umar ibn `Abd al-`Aziz already quoted Suyuti continues:] This indicates that what is meant is their differences in the rulings in the branches of the law. And that is why I consider myself a Muslim and a Muslim only... Aaaaaaaaaand O ye...Do not pretain to know it ! (or preach with a whip in my hand or halo over my head)

i surrender, can we stay away from using this small font in the future?

(i don't have my reading glasses here with me)

Sorry Charles, I was using the standard number 2 size... is this better?

I hear ya! I'm not touching hijab with a ten foot pole! To each her own, imo.

Ye...I am not touching it either...not even worth it!

much better, for some reason it was smaller than size 2