Culture VS Islam

[melly 0]

Just as a gentle reminder, it is Allah who judges and accepts or not as He wishes, not us.

[jordanianprincess 0]

Just as a gentle reminder, it is Allah who judges and accepts or not as He wishes, not us.

No one is being judged here.

[sarah and hicham 3]

Just as a gentle reminder, it is Allah who judges and accepts or not as He wishes, not us.

Have you been recruited by the Ramadan police squad?

[melly 0]

Just as a gentle reminder, it is Allah who judges and accepts or not as He wishes, not us.

No one is being judged here.

And I never said anyone was.

[jordanianprincess 0]

Just as a gentle reminder, it is Allah who judges and accepts or not as He wishes, not us.

No one is being judged here.

And I never said anyone was.

So then what is the reminder for?

[sarah and hicham 3]

Just as a gentle reminder, it is Allah who judges and accepts or not as He wishes, not us.

No one is being judged here.

And I never said anyone was.

Can I ask out of curiosity why you thought you should gently remind us of that?

Oh by the way I used your snickerdoodle recipe- delicious thank you!

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

Just as a gentle reminder, it is Allah who judges and accepts or not as He wishes, not us.

No one is being judged here.

what! i get a night off free from persecution?

[peezey 0]

Just as a gentle reminder, it is Allah who judges and accepts or not as He wishes, not us.

Or not, if one doesn't believe in god. But the topic of judgement is best left to another, or none other, thread.

Amal, I think this is a great topic. I feel like I know a million things that seem to be cultural & religious in regards to Moroccans, and then when I think to add it to the little list here, I wonder, is it religious? or cultural? It's definitely a complicated issue and would probably take lots of history classes to really find out what is what.

As for strappy shirts + hijab, I haven't seen this specifically, but I have seen girls wear hijab, but then when a party, a wedding, function comes around, they dont' wear hijab & wear a strapless, short dress.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Better or worse how? In the U.S., Christmas is also a secular holiday, so it would be possible to celebrate it in that context.

The spaghetti straps and hijab thing doesn't make sense to me, but I'm not Muslim, and I could see someone interpreting the requirement differently or in the context of American culture. (E.g., if the requirement is construed as 'be more modest than the culture around you.')

That Christmas is a secular holiday makes not a lick of sense to me. If I was Christian, I would be highly insulted by that. Taking my savior and making his Holy Day like any other party holiday is a blasphemy, imo. But, then, I've never been Christian.

Just as a gentle reminder, it is Allah who judges and accepts or not as He wishes, not us.

Muslims are required to judge sin, as well. It is not true that Muslims cannot judge; the Quran tells us to do so when it says that believers enjoin the good and reject the evil and that we are protectors of one another. There would be no point in having Islamic law, abiding by Allah's commands, or forming an ummah based on doing justice if there was no judgement that Muslims could make upon each other. Islam is not simply a faith between you and God, but a faith that binds you to a covenent with your faith community. Only God can judge who will enter heaven, but we are intended to provide guidance to each other, and that requires making judgments about right and wrong.

In short, the notion that we are not to judge is an example of a western cultural trait that is mistaken for a tenet of Islam.

Edited December 8, 2006 by szsz

[sarah and hicham 3]

Just as a gentle reminder, it is Allah who judges and accepts or not as He wishes, not us.

No one is being judged here.

what! i get a night off free from persecution?

If you want we can talk about how you went into a yahoo group knowing it was just for women and took screenshots of messages.

[sarah and hicham 3]

Just as a gentle reminder, it is Allah who judges and accepts or not as He wishes, not us.

Or not, if one doesn't believe in god. But the topic of judgement is best left to another, or none other, thread.

Amal, I think this is a great topic. I feel like I know a million things that seem to be cultural & religious in regards to Moroccans, and then when I think to add it to the little list here, I wonder, is it religious? or cultural? It's definitely a complicated issue and would probably take lots of history classes to really find out what is what.

As for strappy shirts + hijab, I haven't seen this specifically, but I have seen girls wear hijab, but then when a party, a wedding, function comes around, they dont' wear hijab & wear a strapless, short dress.

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

don't ever be an animal trainer, you'll beat them to death

Just as a gentle reminder, it is Allah who judges and accepts or not as He wishes, not us.

No one is being judged here.

what! i get a night off free from persecution?

If you want we can talk about how you went into a yahoo group knowing it was just for women and took screenshots of messages.

[amal 4]

I'm going to try to be careful here and try not to start something bad. Christmas, I believe, started as a holiday when ppl celebrated mother earth and all that stuff. Christians took that holiday and incorporated it to the celebration of Jesus' birthday. Therefore, ppl can celebrate with a tree, gifts, decorations of winter, or whatever .. and they're not doing anything wrong in my book. Before reverting, I never did agree with the way Christmas was celebrated. I always felt that we lost the meaning of Christmas by overshadowing it with gifts and pretty lights. And also the fact that Jesus wasn't born on December 25 has always confused me. Why celebrate his birthday on a day that he wasn't born? I would bring that up each year and my family would say..well at least we celebrate it...that never sat well with me.... anyway.... no, I"ll stop there....

Better or worse how? In the U.S., Christmas is also a secular holiday, so it would be possible to celebrate it in that context.

The spaghetti straps and hijab thing doesn't make sense to me, but I'm not Muslim, and I could see someone interpreting the requirement differently or in the context of American culture. (E.g., if the requirement is construed as 'be more modest than the culture around you.')

That Christmas is a secular holiday makes not a lick of sense to me. If I was Christian, I would be highly insulted by that. Taking my savior and making his Holy Day like any other party holiday is a blasphemy, imo. But, then, I've never been Christian.

Just as a gentle reminder, it is Allah who judges and accepts or not as He wishes, not us.

Muslims are required to judge sin, as well. It is not true that Muslims cannot judge; the Quran tells us to do so when it says that believers enjoin the good and reject the evil and that we are protectors of one another. There would be no point in having Islamic law, abiding by Allah's commands, or forming an ummah based on doing justice if there was no judgement that Muslims could make upon each other. Islam is not simply a faith between you and God, but a faith that binds you to a covenent with your faith community. Only God can judge who will enter heaven, but we are intended to provide guidance to each other, and that requires making judgments about right and wrong.

In short, the notion that we are not to judge is an example of a western cultural trait that is mistaken for a tenet of Islam.

[Kez/JWolf 6]

THe original celebration held in December was to celebrate the mid-winter it has been celebrated for 1000's of years all over europe, when christianity came about the church decided to make christmas at the same time as the mid-winter pagen celebration to try to stop people celebrating a non-christian event.

So IMO if you choose to celebrate in a non-christian way with a tree and lights and gifts then you are only following the original mid-winter celebrations... if christians and other religions choose to take offence that is there problem....

Kez

[mybackpages 0]

Can anyone give specific examples of how in a Muslim community religion and culture are not seperate?

How about this for example- the concept in Iran of purdah- sheltering women inside from the view of strangers- existed in Iran long before the coing of Islam to the region. persians merely kept the concept and explained it through Islam. Today it is seem as an Islamic idea.

Or this- female circumcision in North Africa