Culture VS Islam

[amal 4]

well..the quote you bolded .. I said..ppl of ALL religions..so I figured I could use anything as an example sorry

[sarah and hicham 3]

well..the quote you bolded .. I said..ppl of ALL religions..so I figured I could use anything as an example sorry

don't be sorry I was just confused. I gotcha ya though

[Caladan 19]

If we don't mind some real examples, here's a Catholic one:

One of my dear friends from college is Filipino-American, and at his wedding (to another Catholic friend), they incorporated some Filipino traditions: wrapping silk cords around the couple, him giving her coins as a sign that he promises to support her, and her formally accepting them. To an outsider, perhaps, who'd never been to a Catholic wedding, it might look like 'Catholicism requires the groom to give the bride coins, and ties them together to ensure he does so.' And if someone's only exposure to Catholicism was through a boyfriend who said 'All marriages I've ever been to have this coin exchange', she might think it was part of the tradition.

Another one: Feast of the Seven Fishes, which is an Italian feast on Christmas Eve where everyone abstains from meat (and hence has lots of tasty seafood.)

More mundane: dressing up in red and green velvet Christmas dresses, or eating pork and sauerkraut at New Years, or getting candy on Easter, or decorating Ukrainian Easter Eggs. Not part of the religion per se, but part of the religious practice as understood by a culture.

[amal 4]

well..the quote you bolded .. I said..ppl of ALL religions..so I figured I could use anything as an example sorry

don't be sorry I was just confused. I gotcha ya though

ooookie doooookie pokieeee no worries

If we don't mind some real examples, here's a Catholic one:

One of my dear friends from college is Filipino-American, and at his wedding (to another Catholic friend), they incorporated some Filipino traditions: wrapping silk cords around the couple, him giving her coins as a sign that he promises to support her, and her formally accepting them. To an outsider, perhaps, who'd never been to a Catholic wedding, it might look like 'Catholicism requires the groom to give the bride coins, and ties them together to ensure he does so.' And if someone's only exposure to Catholicism was through a boyfriend who said 'All marriages I've ever been to have this coin exchange', she might think it was part of the tradition.

Another one: Feast of the Seven Fishes, which is an Italian feast on Christmas Eve where everyone abstains from meat (and hence has lots of tasty seafood.)

More mundane: dressing up in red and green velvet Christmas dresses, or eating pork and sauerkraut at New Years, or getting candy on Easter, or decorating Ukrainian Easter Eggs. Not part of the religion per se, but part of the religious practice as understood by a culture.

Those, my friends, are some good examples!!!

[sarah and hicham 3]

If we don't mind some real examples, here's a Catholic one:

One of my dear friends from college is Filipino-American, and at his wedding (to another Catholic friend), they incorporated some Filipino traditions: wrapping silk cords around the couple, him giving her coins as a sign that he promises to support her, and her formally accepting them. To an outsider, perhaps, who'd never been to a Catholic wedding, it might look like 'Catholicism requires the groom to give the bride coins, and ties them together to ensure he does so.' And if someone's only exposure to Catholicism was through a boyfriend who said 'All marriages I've ever been to have this coin exchange', she might think it was part of the tradition.

Another one: Feast of the Seven Fishes, which is an Italian feast on Christmas Eve where everyone abstains from meat (and hence has lots of tasty seafood.)

More mundane: dressing up in red and green velvet Christmas dresses, or eating pork and sauerkraut at New Years, or getting candy on Easter, or decorating Ukrainian Easter Eggs. Not part of the religion per se, but part of the religious practice as understood by a culture.

Is it worse to partake in giving and receiving Christmas presents as a Muslim or to wear hijab with a spaghetti strap shirt?

[amal 4]

ooooo ooooo ooooo I thought of another one

We are Muslims in my home but we also do a Christmas tree and exchange gifts. One entering my home might think that Muslims celebrate Christmas the same way Christians do.... but that's not it at all... I like the traditions of having a Christmas tree and exchanging gifts......and as you all know...not Islamically related at all...

[Caladan 19]

Better or worse how? In the U.S., Christmas is also a secular holiday, so it would be possible to celebrate it in that context.

The spaghetti straps and hijab thing doesn't make sense to me, but I'm not Muslim, and I could see someone interpreting the requirement differently or in the context of American culture. (E.g., if the requirement is construed as 'be more modest than the culture around you.')

[sarah and hicham 3]

Better or worse how? In the U.S., Christmas is also a secular holiday, so it would be possible to celebrate it in that context.

The spaghetti straps and hijab thing doesn't make sense to me, but I'm not Muslim, and I could see someone interpreting the requirement differently or in the context of American culture. (E.g., if the requirement is construed as 'be more modest than the culture around you.')

I have never seen someone in hijab and a spaghetti strap shirt, that seems very odd but I'm sure it happens.

[Caladan 19]

ooooo ooooo ooooo I thought of another one

We are Muslims in my home but we also do a Christmas tree and exchange gifts. One entering my home might think that Muslims celebrate Christmas the same way Christians do.... but that's not it at all... I like the traditions of having a Christmas tree and exchanging gifts......and as you all know...not Islamically related at all...

Exactly! I wouldn't be surprised to learn if some things Americans associate with Islam (foods, marriage customs, beliefs about women, whatever) were really artifacts of the local culture all mixed up with it.

[amal 4]

If we don't mind some real examples, here's a Catholic one:

One of my dear friends from college is Filipino-American, and at his wedding (to another Catholic friend), they incorporated some Filipino traditions: wrapping silk cords around the couple, him giving her coins as a sign that he promises to support her, and her formally accepting them. To an outsider, perhaps, who'd never been to a Catholic wedding, it might look like 'Catholicism requires the groom to give the bride coins, and ties them together to ensure he does so.' And if someone's only exposure to Catholicism was through a boyfriend who said 'All marriages I've ever been to have this coin exchange', she might think it was part of the tradition.

Another one: Feast of the Seven Fishes, which is an Italian feast on Christmas Eve where everyone abstains from meat (and hence has lots of tasty seafood.)

More mundane: dressing up in red and green velvet Christmas dresses, or eating pork and sauerkraut at New Years, or getting candy on Easter, or decorating Ukrainian Easter Eggs. Not part of the religion per se, but part of the religious practice as understood by a culture.

Is it worse to partake in giving and receiving Christmas presents as a Muslim or to wear hijab with a spaghetti strap shirt?

hehehe thats funny you posted that as I was posting mine.... I actually had a conversation with my son about Christmas today. He asked if we celebrated it for Jesus or what... I explained why Christians celebrate Christmas and why we do it at our home. I explained to him that we exchange gifts because we like to celebrate that we are alive and a family AND its Noors birthday. It is now just our own personal family tradition and nothing more.

The hijab and spaghetti strap shirt...well thats just sooooooo against anything that Islam teaches. It teaches to be modest and cover your body and to not show your shape. Therefore, in my own opinion, no muslim should wear spaghetti strapped shirts to begin with .. and why cover the head if you're showing the rest of your upper body...whats the point in that?

[sarah and hicham 3]

If we don't mind some real examples, here's a Catholic one:

One of my dear friends from college is Filipino-American, and at his wedding (to another Catholic friend), they incorporated some Filipino traditions: wrapping silk cords around the couple, him giving her coins as a sign that he promises to support her, and her formally accepting them. To an outsider, perhaps, who'd never been to a Catholic wedding, it might look like 'Catholicism requires the groom to give the bride coins, and ties them together to ensure he does so.' And if someone's only exposure to Catholicism was through a boyfriend who said 'All marriages I've ever been to have this coin exchange', she might think it was part of the tradition.

Another one: Feast of the Seven Fishes, which is an Italian feast on Christmas Eve where everyone abstains from meat (and hence has lots of tasty seafood.)

More mundane: dressing up in red and green velvet Christmas dresses, or eating pork and sauerkraut at New Years, or getting candy on Easter, or decorating Ukrainian Easter Eggs. Not part of the religion per se, but part of the religious practice as understood by a culture.

Is it worse to partake in giving and receiving Christmas presents as a Muslim or to wear hijab with a spaghetti strap shirt?

hehehe thats funny you posted that as I was posting mine.... I actually had a conversation with my son about Christmas today. He asked if we celebrated it for Jesus or what... I explained why Christians celebrate Christmas and why we do it at our home. I explained to him that we exchange gifts because we like to celebrate that we are alive and a family AND its Noors birthday. It is now just our own personal family tradition and nothing more.

The hijab and spaghetti strap shirt...well thats just sooooooo against anything that Islam teaches. It teaches to be modest and cover your body and to not show your shape. Therefore, in my own opinion, no muslim should wear spaghetti strapped shirts to begin with .. and why cover the head if you're showing the rest of your upper body...whats the point in that?

So do you think it's ok to cover your body but not wear hijab? Do you wear hijab?

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

So do you think it's ok to cover your body but not wear hijab? Do you wear hijab?

which one is more important to cover?

[jordanianprincess 0]

So do you think it's ok to cover your body but not wear hijab? Do you wear hijab?

which one is more important to cover?

IMO if you are wearing very revealing clothes or tight clothing, there is no point in wearing hijab.

[amal 4]

If we don't mind some real examples, here's a Catholic one:

One of my dear friends from college is Filipino-American, and at his wedding (to another Catholic friend), they incorporated some Filipino traditions: wrapping silk cords around the couple, him giving her coins as a sign that he promises to support her, and her formally accepting them. To an outsider, perhaps, who'd never been to a Catholic wedding, it might look like 'Catholicism requires the groom to give the bride coins, and ties them together to ensure he does so.' And if someone's only exposure to Catholicism was through a boyfriend who said 'All marriages I've ever been to have this coin exchange', she might think it was part of the tradition.

Another one: Feast of the Seven Fishes, which is an Italian feast on Christmas Eve where everyone abstains from meat (and hence has lots of tasty seafood.)

More mundane: dressing up in red and green velvet Christmas dresses, or eating pork and sauerkraut at New Years, or getting candy on Easter, or decorating Ukrainian Easter Eggs. Not part of the religion per se, but part of the religious practice as understood by a culture.

Is it worse to partake in giving and receiving Christmas presents as a Muslim or to wear hijab with a spaghetti strap shirt?

hehehe thats funny you posted that as I was posting mine.... I actually had a conversation with my son about Christmas today. He asked if we celebrated it for Jesus or what... I explained why Christians celebrate Christmas and why we do it at our home. I explained to him that we exchange gifts because we like to celebrate that we are alive and a family AND its Noors birthday. It is now just our own personal family tradition and nothing more.

The hijab and spaghetti strap shirt...well thats just sooooooo against anything that Islam teaches. It teaches to be modest and cover your body and to not show your shape. Therefore, in my own opinion, no muslim should wear spaghetti strapped shirts to begin with .. and why cover the head if you're showing the rest of your upper body...whats the point in that?

So do you think it's ok to cover your body but not wear hijab? Do you wear hijab?

here's how i feel about it. I feel that hijab is worn as part of the modest thing..to cover the body so as to protect us. If a person is wearing hijab but wearing a revealing shirt..or even shorts..then wearing hijab is cancelled out religiously and it is then only worn for style. If a person just plain likes wearing hijab and doesn't care if ppl see their bodies, that is their own perrogative but it is not accepted by God. I am not currently a hijab wearer. It is something that comes with time and by choice. If there are women in hijab and dressed modestly but they are talking in a bad way against a woman who is not wearing hijab...then the hijab ladies are not accepted by God at that time. If the lady not wearing hijab is pure of heart and doing her best to learn Islam..that is accepted... oh, hey, I have a video of that...

This explains it better than me

[amal 4]

So do you think it's ok to cover your body but not wear hijab? Do you wear hijab?

which one is more important to cover?

definitely to be modest in clothing first...