Kansas City home owner shoots, kills intruder with shotgun

[Teddy B 17,252]

By definition, one does not have to be convicted of a crime to be a criminal.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

By definition, one does not have to be convicted of a crime to be a criminal.

Or even be a criminal to be charged with a crime.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

... do you not see that's exactly what I'm saying?

It brings me back to my original comment.

You don't pay attention to what people are saying if you think this is us "finally" agreeing on this issue. Always have. Nothing new.

Once again you are doing what you accuse me of doing

I did not say , we finally agree on this issue

I said we finally agree on something.!!!!

Two very different things

Odd that you and your band of merry men, use the term "reading comprehension" so often, bet yet utilize it so rarely.

If I said "we finally agree on this issue" then by all means show me the post

Projection in it's most pure form

Edited September 5, 2013 by The conciliator

[Teddy B 17,252]

Once again you are doing what you accuse me of doing

I did not say , we finally agree on this issue

I said we finally agree on something.!!!!

Two very different things

Odd that you and your band of merry men, use the term "reading comprehension" so often, bet yet utilize it so rarely.

If I said "we finally agree on this issue" then by all means show me the post

Projection in it's most pure form

We've agreed on many issues in the past. Either way, you lose!

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

We've agreed on many issues in the past. Either way, you lose!

oh yes that makes a lot of sense

How did you set up your VJ to auto reply nonsense anytime I respond to penny

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Once again you are doing what you accuse me of doing

I did not say , we finally agree on this issue

I said we finally agree on something.!!!!

Two very different things

Odd that you and your band of merry men, use the term "reading comprehension" so often, bet yet utilize it so rarely.

If I said "we finally agree on this issue" then by all means show me the post

Projection in it's most pure form

You said your comment meant "WOW we finally agree on something" ... if something isn't this issue, then what the hell were you talking about?

As for the "band of merry men" nonsense ... it really bothers you when people show up and happen to agree with me, doesn't it? So much so that you have to imply that they're simply patting me on the back or sucking up to me rather than thinking for themselves.

Edited September 5, 2013 by Penny Lane

[himher 634]

I said:

To be a criminal you have to be convicted of a crime and even once you have been convicted of a crime you still have rights and a place in society albeit incarcerated and away from the rest of society. Criminals are incarcerated for fixed terms (except in exceptional circumstances) and once their sentence is served they are freed from prison and resume life outside . Criminals are not branded and excommunicated from society.

To which you replied:

Elevating the rights of criminals who are in the act of committing a crime above the rights of their intended victims

What I said does not translate as giving criminals more rights than the intended victims, only an active imagination could think that it does.

What is imprisonment is if it not a form of "excommunication from society"?

Either way, innocent people have the right to not be victimized at all and the right to never allow the crime to be committed against an innocent person in the first place trumps the rights of the criminal in the court system after the fact. You say otherwise, and you are elevating the rights of the criminal over the rights of the victim. You did say it, so you did it.

It is a crime that makes a criminal, not a conviction. What kind of sick imagination drummed up that theory?

By definition, one does not have to be convicted of a crime to be a criminal.

Not on Planet (un)Truth

You said your comment meant "WOW we finally agree on something" ... if something isn't this issue, then what the hell were you talking about?

As for the "band of merry men" nonsense ... it really bothers you when people show up and happen to agree with me, doesn't it? So much so that you have to imply that they're simply patting me on the back or sucking up to me rather than thinking for themselves.

Is there something that can be done to ease the highly charged sexual tension between the two (well three) of you?

Edited September 5, 2013 by himher

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

What is imprisonment is if it not a form of "excommunication from society"?

Either way, innocent people have the right to not be victimized at all and the right to never allow the crime to be committed against an innocent person in the first place trumps the rights of the criminal in the court system after the fact. You say otherwise, and you are elevating the rights of the criminal over the rights of the victim. You did say it, so you did it.

It is a crime that makes a criminal, not a conviction. What kind of sick imagination drummed up that theory?

Not on Planet (un)Truth

Is there something that can be done to ease the highly charged sexual tension between the two (well three) of you?

Teddy B is Jealous . Makes sense now. i wondered why he jumped in every time I replied to penny.Thanks for your insight

[Penny Lane 8,159]

[Peikko 1,575]

What is imprisonment is if it not a form of "excommunication from society"?

Either way, innocent people have the right to not be victimized at all and the right to never allow the crime to be committed against an innocent person in the first place trumps the rights of the criminal in the court system after the fact. You say otherwise, and you are elevating the rights of the criminal over the rights of the victim. You did say it, so you did it.

It is a crime that makes a criminal, not a conviction. What kind of sick imagination drummed up that theory?

Not on Planet (un)Truth

Is there something that can be done to ease the highly charged sexual tension between the two (well three) of you?

Imprisonment is isolation from society, not excommunication.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I said:

To be a criminal you have to be convicted of a crime and even once you have been convicted of a crime you still have rights and a place in society albeit incarcerated and away from the rest of society. Criminals are incarcerated for fixed terms (except in exceptional circumstances) and once their sentence is served they are freed from prison and resume life outside . Criminals are not branded and excommunicated from society.

To which you replied:

Elevating the rights of criminals who are in the act of committing a crime above the rights of their intended victims

What I said does not translate as giving criminals more rights than the intended victims, only an active imagination could think that it does.

Quick question

John Wilkes Booth shot president Lincoln

He never was arrested

Was he a criminal ?

How about D.B. Cooper ?

Is he a criminal

[himher 634]

Imprisonment is isolation from society, not excommunication.

What do you want to share your insightful wit about next? Recidivism? Why sure! Latest findings are a few years old BUT 2007 numbers sure do and sho nuff match 1994 numbers

• During 2007, a total of 1,180,469 persons on parole were at-risk of reincarceration. This includes persons under parole supervision on January 1 or those entering parole during the year. Of these parolees, about 16% were returned to incarceration in 2007.
• Among nearly 300,000 prisoners released in 15 states in 1994, 67.5% were rearrested within 3 years. A study of prisoners released in 1983 estimated 62.5%.
• Of the 272,111 persons released from prisons in 15 states in 1994, an estimated 67.5% were rearrested for a felony or serious misdemeanor within 3 years, 46.9% were reconvicted, and 25.4% resentenced to prison for a new crime.
• These offenders had accumulated 4.1 million arrest charges before their most recent imprisonment and another 744,000 charges within 3 years of release.
• Released prisoners with the highest rearrest rates were robbers (70.2%), burglars (74.0%), larcenists (74.6%), motor vehicle thieves (78.8%), those in prison for possessing or selling stolen property (77.4%), and those in prison for possessing, using, or selling illegal weapons (70.2%).
• Within 3 years, 2.5% of released rapists were arrested for another rape, and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for homicide.

Sounds like imprisonment is the way to go!

Any time you need some facts about it check below

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=17

In the meantime, during commission of a crime, I believe we will reserve the right to prevent it from happening on the spot and let you and your libfriends convene seminars about excommunication and imprisonment after the fact.

Just sayin'.

That must have felt good. Pics pics!

[Peikko 1,575]

What do you want to share your insightful wit about next? Recidivism? Why sure! Latest findings are a few years old BUT 2007 numbers sure do and sho nuff match 1994 numbers

• During 2007, a total of 1,180,469 persons on parole were at-risk of reincarceration. This includes persons under parole supervision on January 1 or those entering parole during the year. Of these parolees, about 16% were returned to incarceration in 2007.
• Among nearly 300,000 prisoners released in 15 states in 1994, 67.5% were rearrested within 3 years. A study of prisoners released in 1983 estimated 62.5%.
• Of the 272,111 persons released from prisons in 15 states in 1994, an estimated 67.5% were rearrested for a felony or serious misdemeanor within 3 years, 46.9% were reconvicted, and 25.4% resentenced to prison for a new crime.
• These offenders had accumulated 4.1 million arrest charges before their most recent imprisonment and another 744,000 charges within 3 years of release.
• Released prisoners with the highest rearrest rates were robbers (70.2%), burglars (74.0%), larcenists (74.6%), motor vehicle thieves (78.8%), those in prison for possessing or selling stolen property (77.4%), and those in prison for possessing, using, or selling illegal weapons (70.2%).
• Within 3 years, 2.5% of released rapists were arrested for another rape, and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for homicide.

Sounds like imprisonment is the way to go!

Any time you need some facts about it check below

http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=17

In the meantime, during commission of a crime, I believe we will reserve the right to prevent it from happening on the spot and let you and your libfriends convene seminars about excommunication and imprisonment after the fact.

Just sayin'.

That must have felt good. Pics pics!

You've gone off on some special tangent of your own again. Why do you think random stats on recidivism rates are relevant here, now? Where exactly have I said or implied that if you are in a life threatening situation you just have to sacrifice yourself? I did say that it is a bad idea to allow civilians to have a free pass to kill intruders, stand your ground and home is a castle laws are bad laws and lead to events that should never happen.

It is a bad idea to lead civilians to believe they can do the same job as a properly trained professional and it is a bad idea to advocate confronting criminals as if doing so were a right or even an obligation. Unless you are in a situation where your life or the life of your family etc is in immediate and imminent danger, retreat to a safe area is the best and most prudent course of action and in everyone's best interests. I don't think any rational and sane person can take the life of another human being without having to pay an emotional price for doing so Contrary to folk lore belief there isn't valuable human life and disposable criminal life. Those distinctions are only made by people who lack emotional connection, or have psychopathic tendencies.

[Karee 4,190]

You've gone off on some special tangent of your own again. Why do you think random stats on recidivism rates are relevant here, now? Where exactly have I said or implied that if you are in a life threatening situation you just have to sacrifice yourself? I did say that it is a bad idea to allow civilians to have a free pass to kill intruders, stand your ground and home is a castle laws are bad laws and lead to events that should never happen.

It is a bad idea to lead civilians to believe they can do the same job as a properly trained professional and it is a bad idea to advocate confronting criminals as if doing so were a right or even an obligation. Unless you are in a situation where your life or the life of your family etc is in immediate and imminent danger, retreat to a safe area is the best and most prudent course of action and in everyone's best interests. I don't think any rational and sane person can take the life of another human being without having to pay an emotional price for doing so Contrary to folk lore belief there isn't valuable human life and disposable criminal life. Those distinctions are only made by people who lack emotional connection, or have psychopathic tendencies.

I have to compliment you. You're a very good dancer.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I have to compliment you. You're a very good dancer.

She is very limber, almost a contortionist.