Evolution vs God. New viral vid has Atheists Pissed

[Danno 1,228]

It was too obvious.

No explanation for it?

Well Shazam! maybe you have the answer science has searched for all this time.

PLease do share it.

[Danno 1,228]

There are no 'atheist' organisations Danno, it's a label for people who lack a belief in deities, atheists can be found everywhere, even in religious organisations. Atheists are not some weird segment of society that hangs out in groups with an agenda to recruit more atheists. It's not a movement of any kind, it simply describes those who lack 'faith' for want of a better word.

Actually there are lots of Atheist organizations and a whole movement, if you would like to get "connected", let me know I will google them for you.

Atheists are like any other group, they like to even have church (like) services, we covered that subject here on VJ before, Atheist groups buying a church and having Sunday like gatherings complete with Music and sermon.

However if you are in need, I would invite you to seek out a religious organization as they seem to be the ones donating time, money and effort into meeting the physical and spiritual needs of people.

You would not believe the size of the disaster relief program the Baptist Mens groups has built up, from what I understand they were responding to Katrina before FEMA.... (but I guess thats not saying much.

Catholic Charities has a budget in the multiple BILLIONS, with well over 200,000 volunteers.

When one digs into the amount of money and the army of people.... serving other people in need it is truly amazing and a little humbling.

[GandD 5,966]

I don't understand the "prove God doesn't exist" attitude.

I don't believe in unicorns either. How do you prove one doesn't exist?

Since when is the burden of proof on the doubter rather than the claimer?

Second. Prove to me there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster.

[GandD 5,966]

Actually there are lots of Atheist organizations and a whole movement, if you would like to get "connected", let me know I will google them for you.

Atheists are like any other group, they like to even have church (like) services, we covered that subject here on VJ before, Atheist groups buying a church and having Sunday like gatherings complete with Music and sermon.

However if you are in need, I would invite you to seek out a religious organization as they seem to be the ones donating time, money and effort into meeting the physical and spiritual needs of people.

You would not believe the size of the disaster relief program the Baptist Mens groups has built up, from what I understand they were responding to Katrina before FEMA.... (but I guess thats not saying much.

Catholic Charities has a budget in the multiple BILLIONS, with well over 200,000 volunteers.

When one digs into the amount of money and the army of people.... serving other people in need it is truly amazing and a little humbling.

Can you not understand anything outside of a church like organization? Aethiests are not in an aetheist church. Some might form meetings I suppose. I wouldn't. Those are the exact kind of lame ####### that makes me not want to go to church. I'm aetheist and I'm not part of any movement. I don't go to aetheist meetings. I just think church is lame and the church life is really lame. And I don't believe things based in mythology.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I think I already cited the theory the reason there seems to be more atheists in the US is because of more active anti-theist organizations and speakers. So, I guess the polls should be showing there are more gays now in the US, because it is fashionable to be gay all of a sudden.

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Second. Prove to me there is a Flying Spaghetti Monster.

I have been touched by His Noodly Appendage.

Have faith and you may be too

You know. We had some pretty insane flooding recently. And while yes there were Christian organizations with boots to the ground, there were also people of every faith (or non faith) donating time and money, groups that had nothing to do with Christianity and so on.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

I think I already cited the theory the reason there seems to be more atheists in the US is because of more active anti-theist organizations and speakers. So, I guess the polls should be showing there are more gays now in the US, because it is fashionable to be gay all of a sudden.

I would predict faith runs more heavily in the poor, the uneducated, and those on death row.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I would predict faith runs more heavily in the poor, the uneducated, and those on death row.

No doubt. It is probably a lot like playing the lottery. I am not a practicing Catholic any more, although I was for a while when the wife first came to the US. The closer I get to dying, the more I feel I may want to hedge my bets. No atheists in foxholes and all that.

There is something out there, or there is something I have created in my subconscious, that seems to interact with the world around me and protects me, and will respond to me when it wants to. But it doesn't seem to require all that organized ritual stuff, and does seem to have a weird sense of humor, and likes to cheat at solitaire, for whatever that is worth.

[Danno 1,228]

Can you not understand anything outside of a church like organization? Aethiests are not in an aetheist church. Some might form meetings I suppose. I wouldn't. Those are the exact kind of lame ####### that makes me not want to go to church. I'm aetheist and I'm not part of any movement. I don't go to aetheist meetings. I just think church is lame and the church life is really lame. And I don't believe things based in mythology.

It's funny, I keep talking about numbers data and social value you and others keep coming back to your lack of faith and what it means to you.

Since you seem to want to discuss it, I will yield.

Unbelief is nothing unique, in fact many people experience it for a period and on occasion for life, in some cases people honestly look within themselves and within the natural world and realize, there might be a creator if there is a creation.

In fact the eye alone is so complicated and designed with such brilliance it is hard to imagine, mutation is the absolute answer for it's existence. And some of these people seek God and God finds them, the churches are full of such people.

Other people, simply can not accept that they is something greater than them self .... that some superior being could "pass judgment" on them.

As you talk to these people you find a unique ability they posses and that is the ability to admit they might be wrong about their stock market pick

or wrong about who wins the World series, or wrong about how their kids turn out but one thing they are so absolutely certain of is, their eternal destiny, and when you hear them speak..... it is almost as if they feel they have the ability to "make it their reality" by simply saying it bold enough.

In some ways I admire their level of faith.

[GandD 5,966]

It's funny, I keep talking about numbers data and social value you and others keep coming back to your lack of faith and what it means to you.

Since you seem to want to discuss it, I will yield.

Unbelief is nothing unique, in fact many people experience it for a period and on occasion for life, in some cases people honestly look within themselves and within the natural world and realize, there might be a creator if there is a creation.

In fact the eye alone is so complicated and designed with such brilliance it is hard to imagine, mutation is the absolute answer for it's existence. And some of these people seek God and God finds them, the churches are full of such people.

Other people, simply can not accept that they is something greater than them self .... that some superior being could "pass judgment" on them.

As you talk to these people you find a unique ability they posses and that is the ability to admit they might be wrong about their stock market pick

or wrong about who wins the World series, or wrong about how their kids turn out but one thing they are so absolutely certain of is, their eternal destiny, and when you hear them speak..... it is almost as if they feel they have the ability to "make it their reality" by simply saying it bold enough.

In some ways I admire their level of faith.

What numbers are you talking about and why do they matter? The vast majority of the world thought the world was flat and they were wrong. The vast majority of the world thought the universe revolved around the earth and they were wrong. I am not impressed by numbers in your favor.

Danno, just because you think an eye is too complex for evolution alone doesn't make you right. The bottom line is you want an answer. You want a reason. I'm ok with there not being one. I'm not going to go to church just in case. That's rediculous. I might also add that in my experience, a large number of people in your camp are there because they inherited the belief, married it, use it for social purposes, or take the just in case belef. I am also not impressed by those making up this part of your numbers. Believe what you want.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

It's funny, I keep talking about numbers data and social value you and others keep coming back to your lack of faith and what it means to you.

Since you seem to want to discuss it, I will yield.

Unbelief is nothing unique, in fact many people experience it for a period and on occasion for life, in some cases people honestly look within themselves and within the natural world and realize, there might be a creator if there is a creation.

In fact the eye alone is so complicated and designed with such brilliance it is hard to imagine, mutation is the absolute answer for it's existence. And some of these people seek God and God finds them, the churches are full of such people.

Other people, simply can not accept that they is something greater than them self .... that some superior being could "pass judgment" on them.

As you talk to these people you find a unique ability they posses and that is the ability to admit they might be wrong about their stock market pick

or wrong about who wins the World series, or wrong about how their kids turn out but one thing they are so absolutely certain of is, their eternal destiny, and when you hear them speak..... it is almost as if they feel they have the ability to "make it their reality" by simply saying it bold enough.

In some ways I admire their level of faith.

Cancer. Autism. Children burned to death or beyond recognition. So many mysterious creations of an alleged all perfect, all knowing Creator. I guess the mysterious complexity of the eye is somewhat less impressive to the blind.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

It's funny, I keep talking about numbers data and social value you and others keep coming back to your lack of faith and what it means to you.

You can't vote for something to be true....

Nor is it true because it would make life have meaning or because people would be evil otherwise.

I don't care what good works they do or don't do. If they need the fear of hell or the promise of salvation to accomplish something and it's not based on the truth then then it's wrong. It's wrong.

You want it to be true, it is true to you. There is nothing that can change your beliefs - nothing. That's faith. Most of the planet has it - but not all of them agree, the faiths are not compatible... So the vast majority (at best) or all (most likely) have faith they feel to their very core and yet *must* be false... it has to be. Yet you think you are the one with the winning lottery ticket.

Edited September 8, 2013 by OnMyWayID

[Danno 1,228]

You can't vote for something to be true....

Nor is it true because it would make life have meaning or because people would be evil otherwise.

I don't care what good works they do or don't do. If they need the fear of hell or the promise of salvation to accomplish something and it's not based on the truth then then it's wrong. It's wrong.

You want it to be true, it is true to you. There is nothing that can change your beliefs - nothing. That's faith. Most of the planet has it - but not all of them agree, the faiths are not compatible... So the vast majority (at best) or all (most likely) have faith they feel to their very core and yet *must* be false... it has to be. Yet you think you are the one with the winning lottery ticket.

I have never bee an Atheist but I have talked to a number and like everyone I really try to understand them and their view point.

I think you and a number of others really seem to miss the mark or mis understand people of faith when you suppose that Christians are driven by a fear of hell or a

promise of heaven. In fact I have rarely heard hell "preached on" very much, certainly not as much as Christ spoke on it, and as for heaven, way too many Christians (IMO) think they are a Child of God and nothing can change that so you see Christians are really driven by other motivations.

I hate to speculate but I would guess at this moment it has way more to do with empathy, or the environment of Christians and Christ is "serving others" and a sense of obligation to those in the church and outside the church.

This used to be a common theme taught to everyone, there is a Latin term for it that slips my mind but is means -to whom much is given, much is required ... which is why so many private collages, hospitals, old-folks homes and so many other institutions were started and run, even by moderately relgious people.

. This mindset of "Charity" used to be a social obligation shared be all, now it seems to be put in practice by people involved in religion, even in areas which nothing to do with faith we see "People of faith" are more involved, if it be the PTA, the working at the polling place, even giving blood.

Religious people on the Left are just as charitable, there are just fewer of them.

As for WHY people get involved, I would suggest you join them at the food bank or homeless shelter, I doubt you will find anything but people happy in their service... certainly not fearing hell or hoping the gave enough to make heaven.

[Danno 1,228]

Cancer. Autism. Children burned to death or beyond recognition. So many mysterious creations of an alleged all perfect, all knowing Creator. I guess the mysterious complexity of the eye is somewhat less impressive to the blind.

Someone burns there kids with cigarets and you blame God?

Sounds like you want God to create a heaven on earth?

[Danno 1,228]

What numbers are you talking about and why do they matter? The vast majority of the world thought the world was flat and they were wrong. The vast majority of the world thought the universe revolved around the earth and they were wrong. I am not impressed by numbers in your favor.

Danno, just because you think an eye is too complex for evolution alone doesn't make you right. The bottom line is you want an answer. You want a reason. I'm ok with there not being one. I'm not going to go to church just in case. That's rediculous. I might also add that in my experience, a large number of people in your camp are there because they inherited the belief, married it, use it for social purposes, or take the just in case belef. I am also not impressed by those making up this part of your numbers. Believe what you want.

You make some valid points in that following group-think has often been wrong, which is kinda what I am suggesting could be going on today with science in some respects. Part truth and part error can be very misleading, for instance, discovering perhaps a process God used to create the earth ... one in which Genesis spells out in steps does not discount a creator. It would seem daily discoveries are stumbled on which throw wrenches into former, long help theories on many areas of science, that people believe these theories with unquestioning faith is a marvel to me.

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As far as flawed members of the church, generally there are people at all levels of faith and commitment, very few are "out to get something" from my experience.

When it comes to churches, I generally don't expect more perfection than I can deliver myself.