N-400 - SEPTEMBER 2013 FILERS

[Darth Vader Ku 16]

Please read this article that I found for you:

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/youre-not-naturalized-us-citizen-until-you-take-the-oath.html

http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Outreach/Upcoming%20National%20Engagements/Upcoming%20National%20Engagement%20Pages/2013%20Events/January%202013/PolicyManualBriefing.pdf

In the second link please refer to page: 12

I guess you are the one who had a "lengthy argument [that was] irresponsible, grossly inaccurate and mostly irrelevant to the Original Poster."

The first link is for an internet legal advisory. This is NOT the same thing as a U S C I S R E Q U I R E M E N T (not even close).

The second link is an internal USCIS presentation that establishes internal procedures. The page you referred to (Page Twelve) is not a stated requirement at all. It simply lists a table of contents, if you will, for various sections of the new training manual. It's not even close to a requirement.

I can't believe you would attempt to pass this off as an actual requirement by the USCIS. I suppose this rather weak attempt on your part is a concession that you really do not know what you are talking about and are simply trying to save face.

Forgive me if I sound overly brusque, but pretending that there are actual requirements in those two links you included in your previous post when you know fully well that they're not is especially irresponsible especially since you're only doing it to save face.

My original challenge still stands: point me definitively to the USCIS requirement where it is indicated that a future anticipated event such as a change in marital status must be disclosed by a petitioner to an Immigration Officer at the Naturalisation Interview?

[BigDaddy28 228]

The first link is for an internet legal advisory. This is NOT the same thing as a U S C I S R E Q U I R E M E N T (not even close).

The second link is an internal USCIS presentation that establishes internal procedures. The page you referred to (Page Twelve) is not a stated requirement at all. It simply lists a table of contents, if you will, for various sections of the new training manual. It's not even close to a requirement.

I can't believe you would attempt to pass this off as an actual requirement by the USCIS. I suppose this rather weak attempt on your part is a concession that you really do not know what you are talking about and are simply trying to save face.

Forgive me if I sound overly brusque, but pretending that there are actual requirements in those two links you included in your previous post when you know fully well that they're not is especially irresponsible especially since you're only doing it to save face.

My original challenge still stands: point me definitively to the USCIS requirement where it is indicated that a future anticipated event such as a change in marital status must be disclosed by a petitioner to an Immigration Officer at the Naturalisation Interview?

http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/About%20Us/Electronic%20Reading%20Room/Customer%20Service%20Reference%20Guide/Permanent_Residents_Naturalization.pdf

Page 74: Advice you to let USCIS know about your marriage status and give marriage certificate so the new naturalization document can confirm your new name (in case the applicant is a female).

Now Darth Vader Ku don't feel like I told the applicant that they have to disclose it, all I said is you can and not disclosing it won't affect your naturalization as chances of getting denied because of that are near 0%.

I can't accept how you come and push your ideas on people without even going through the whole process. I based my answer to the original poster based on info that I collected from peoples processes. It's well know that some people didn't get the benefit they wanted just because they forgot to mention a little thing that they thought it's not important.

As I said to the original poster telling the officer will give you a chance to learn about what to do in this specific situation and that will give them a chance to cover their rear from USCIS blaming them in the future for not disclosing that.

I'm sorry if I sound to harsh but when somebody comes and tells me you don't have to do this and you will be fine, let me ask you this: WHAT DID YOU BASE YOUR ANSWER ON? Do you have a law that you hold in your hand? do you have an example that you based your answer on? Do you know any specific situation as the original poster's situation?

At the end my friend, you are trying to"save a face" based on baseless allegation that you can't even prove.

Please if you respond be sure that I won't be able to respond soon (maybe tomorrow).

[BigDaddy28 228]

Besides my friend the fact the questionnaire asks you about your marital status is enough to prove that you are wrong. At the end as you said it's up to the applicant to decide whether they should disclose it or not.

[Darth Vader Ku 16]

Besides my friend the fact the questionnaire asks you about your marital status is enough to prove that you are wrong. At the end as you said it's up to the applicant to decide whether they should disclose it or not.

I'm basing my answer on four very simple documents, all issued by the United States Citizenship and Immigration Service:

1) The N-400 Application Form

2) The N-400 Eligibility Worksheet

3) The N-400 Application Guide

4) The USCIS web pages on Naturalisation

I read all these ages ago comprehensively to immediately be one hundred percent certain that your claims in previous posts were unfounded.

Also, the questionnaire does ask you about your marital status...your C U R R E N T marital status, not a futuristic expectation.

Please, continue to respond to save face, and I will continue to reply with facts that show the lack of merit in your statements. The very simple truth (which you and I both know) is that you are very wrong and are simply exploring ways not to appear...uhm...uninformed.

[wellmux 3]

I was the 3rd or fourth person to have interview in this september 2013 group seems like i am going to be a last one to be naturalized because of a request for a name change, in my area court house do the ceremony after 3 months .. the last one was in sometime in March and i was not invited . and Next one will be May , So thats next month and i am glad that i got this email update today ....

Oath Ceremony

On April 16, 2014, we scheduled you for your oath ceremony and sent a notice providing the date, time, and location. If you move prior to the scheduled ceremony, please use our Change of Address online tool to update your case with your new address or call our customer service center at 1-800-375-5283.

[Mistere 13]

hi Silkafi88,

I have my interview coming up in 20 days. I am applying based on 5 year eligibility but I got my 10 year green card through my ex-husband's job. We got divorced last year in February. I got engaged a month before filing my N-400 and i will be getting married 10 days after my interview. I wanted to ask your opinion about disclosing my wedding plans at the interview. I want to volunteer the information especially since my fiance is an American Citizen by birth and I dont have anything to hide. During the interview did your IO give you an opportunity to disclose relevant information?

Any input would be appreciated.

and Congratulations on becoming a citizen!

Congratulations on your upcoming interview and marriage. I don't know if your requested input only from Silkafii88, so I apologize if you did and please ignore my opinion. Since you already disclosed on your N-400 that you were divorced and you will not be married at the time of your interview, I don't see the point of disclosing future wedding plans, since you will have to disclose on N-445 form before your Oath Ceremony. Unless of course you have a same day Oath Ceremony, then you would not be married until 10 days after and would not really apply.

Congratulations again and good luck to you...

[MJC79 1]

Congratulations on your upcoming interview and marriage. I don't know if your requested input only from Silkafii88, so I apologize if you did and please ignore my opinion. Since you already disclosed on your N-400 that you were divorced and you will not be married at the time of your interview, I don't see the point of disclosing future wedding plans, since you will have to disclose on N-445 form before your Oath Ceremony. Unless of course you have a same day Oath Ceremony, then you would not be married until 10 days after and would not really apply.

Congratulations again and good luck to you...

thank you Mistere!

all opinions are welcome! They dont conduct same day oath ceremonies here in New york City. My only issue is that i might have to request them to delay my oath ceremony since I will be traveling out of state for a week after my wedding. that is the only reason that I feel I may have to let them know.

[MJC79 1]

Besides at the oath they ask you if your natural status changed regardless of 5 year rule our 3 year rule

thank you for clarifying. I have to leave the state for a week after getting married. They dont have same day oaths in NYC. So i may have to request them to delay my oath ceremony till after memorial day. That is one of the reasons that I felt I need to disclose why i am planning on traveling

Edited April 17, 2014 by MJC79

[MJC79 1]

I disagree with this point of view.

To the Original Poster: if you were applying under the three-year statute, I would concede that your expected and upcoming change in marital status would be material information to disclose. As it is, you are applying under the five-year statute, and your new, upcoming marital status (regardless of the nationality of the individual you were marying) is not under consideration for your eligibility.

Not disclosing does not equate to not being truthful. If you have answered every question on your N-400 petition correctly (under the letter and the spirit of each question), and as long as you answer all questions in the same vein at your interview, proactive disclosure of this information is not required.

hi Darth Vader Ku,

My only issue is that I will be leaving for a week after getting married. NYC does not do same day oath ceremonies therefore I have to tell them to schedule my oath before 5/17 or after 5/26 in which case I may be compelled to disclose the reason for my travels i.e. honeymoon.

But I do see where you are coming from and in any other situation I would not have been compelled to disclose this information.

I am considering taking my fiance's passport as well as our marriage license (which does not constitute a certificate in NY; therefore we are not really married) to the interview.

[Darth Vader Ku 16]

hi Darth Vader Ku,

My only issue is that I will be leaving for a week after getting married. NYC does not do same day oath ceremonies therefore I have to tell them to schedule my oath before 5/17 or after 5/26 in which case I may be compelled to disclose the reason for my travels i.e. honeymoon.

But I do see where you are coming from and in any other situation I would not have been compelled to disclose this information.

I am considering taking my fiance's passport as well as our marriage license (which does not constitute a certificate in NY; therefore we are not really married) to the interview.

Well, I wish you luck whatever you decide.

I'm sure you now have enough information to make an informed decision and can pick out fact from paranoia.

I'd do some more research just in case, but either way, it does not seem that any choice will pose a long-term adverse effect on your petition.

[Darth Vader Ku 16]

hi Darth Vader Ku,

My only issue is that I will be leaving for a week after getting married. NYC does not do same day oath ceremonies therefore I have to tell them to schedule my oath before 5/17 or after 5/26 in which case I may be compelled to disclose the reason for my travels i.e. honeymoon.

But I do see where you are coming from and in any other situation I would not have been compelled to disclose this information.

I am considering taking my fiance's passport as well as our marriage license (which does not constitute a certificate in NY; therefore we are not really married) to the interview.

[MJC79 1]

Well, I wish you luck whatever you decide.

I'm sure you now have enough information to make an informed decision and can pick out fact from paranoia.

I'd do some more research just in case, but either way, it does not seem that any choice will pose a long-term adverse effect on your petition.

thank you!

I have been thinking about it and I agree that I dont have to specifically volunteer the information because it might over-whelm the IO. its not like my marital status has changed. I would still be divorced when I have my interview. I will only tell them IF it comes up in questioning but I will bring my fiance's documentation to avoid a RFE.

[wellmux 3]

Received oath letter today.

[elafito 0]

Updated after getting my citizenship. Good luck everyone!

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[wellmux 3]

Elafito Congratulations on becoming New US Citizen.