Pennsylvania town mulls recommending guns for all

[Alanlvsjudy 0]

I live in the middle of knowhere in Pennsylvania, and have been to towns like this. Trust me, everyone already has a gun.

At which point I'd seriously think about moving to another town.

Honestly, if people having guns bothers you, its time to leave the US. One of the things I learned early on is exactly how widespread gun ownership is, amongst people you wouldn't expect. Its part of the culture here.

What bothers me is the psychology - that people feel that they need them in order to stay safe in their towns and homes.

just as it bothers me that some feel we'll all be safe by taking them away from the law abiding public

its a proven fact, gun control = higher violent crime rates

Hitler was a big proponent of gun control

Lastly, this would not be the first time a municipality proposed nor passed this type of legislation. their crime rates go down too...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I live in the middle of knowhere in Pennsylvania, and have been to towns like this. Trust me, everyone already has a gun.

At which point I'd seriously think about moving to another town.

Honestly, if people having guns bothers you, its time to leave the US. One of the things I learned early on is exactly how widespread gun ownership is, amongst people you wouldn't expect. Its part of the culture here.

What bothers me is the psychology - that people feel that they need them in order to stay safe in their towns and homes.

just as it bothers me that some feel we'll all be safe by taking them away from the law abiding public

The media has a general tendency to over-report violent crime, giving rise to the impression that there is more of it than there actually is. The kneejerk reaction against pedophiles (who form a tiny percentage of sex-crimes, itself a small percentage of violent crime) is a case in point. From watching the news you'd be forgive for thinking it was a national epidemic.

I've never felt as though I needed a gun. I'm not involved in law-enforcement, the armed forces or the national guard. I'm not into target shooting either, so why exactly would i need one? I 'could' buy myself a Walther P99, just to say I own James Bond's gun - and show it off to friends and visitors, but aside from owning a useless lump of metal - I've an idea that it would make me look like a #######. A bit like fat, balding middle-age men who buy expensive sports cars to compensate for their lack of "other" things.

yet your dislike for firearms shows and it's not a secret that you'd be quite pleased to see that (removal of firearms from the law abiding populace) occur.

Who, other than a genuine shooting enthusiast can honestly say they "like" guns? If I started going around saying "I like knives" people would think I was a bit of a psycho.

The only thing I find suspect is the psychology of needing a gun to protect oneself in society. As I said, I don't own one, I've never needed one. I don't see the point - and I don't like pandering to fear by assuming that the outside world is so dangerous that I must keep a loaded gun under my pillow.

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

I live in the middle of knowhere in Pennsylvania, and have been to towns like this. Trust me, everyone already has a gun.

At which point I'd seriously think about moving to another town.

Honestly, if people having guns bothers you, its time to leave the US. One of the things I learned early on is exactly how widespread gun ownership is, amongst people you wouldn't expect. Its part of the culture here.

What bothers me is the psychology - that people feel that they need them in order to stay safe in their towns and homes.

just as it bothers me that some feel we'll all be safe by taking them away from the law abiding public

The media has a general tendency to over-report violent crime, giving rise to the impression that there is more of it than there actually is. The kneejerk reaction against pedophiles (who form a tiny percentage of sex-crimes, itself a small percentage of violent crime) is a case in point. From watching the news you'd be forgive for thinking it was a national epidemic.

I've never felt as though I needed a gun. I'm not involved in law-enforcement, the armed forces or the national guard. I'm not into target shooting either, so why exactly would i need one? I 'could' buy myself a Walther P99, just to say I own James Bond's gun - and show it off to friends and visitors, but aside from owning a useless lump of metal - I've an idea that it would make me look like a #######. A bit like fat, balding middle-age men who buy expensive sports cars to compensate for their lack of "other" things.

yet your dislike for firearms shows and it's not a secret that you'd be quite pleased to see that (removal of firearms from the law abiding populace) occur.

Who, other than a genuine shooting enthusiast can honestly say they "like" guns? If I started going around saying "I like knives" people would think I was a bit of a psycho.

The only thing I find suspect is the psychology of needing a gun to protect oneself in society. As I said, I don't own one, I've never needed one. I don't see the point - and I don't like pandering to fear by assuming that the outside world is so dangerous that I must keep a loaded gun under my pillow.

i am one who does shooting for sport. i also live out where if someone was breaking into my house, i could wait up to 30 minutes before the law arrives. it's a given that one needs to be able to defend oneself instead of rely on the sparse police protection.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I live in the middle of knowhere in Pennsylvania, and have been to towns like this. Trust me, everyone already has a gun.

At which point I'd seriously think about moving to another town.

Honestly, if people having guns bothers you, its time to leave the US. One of the things I learned early on is exactly how widespread gun ownership is, amongst people you wouldn't expect. Its part of the culture here.

What bothers me is the psychology - that people feel that they need them in order to stay safe in their towns and homes.

just as it bothers me that some feel we'll all be safe by taking them away from the law abiding public

The media has a general tendency to over-report violent crime, giving rise to the impression that there is more of it than there actually is. The kneejerk reaction against pedophiles (who form a tiny percentage of sex-crimes, itself a small percentage of violent crime) is a case in point. From watching the news you'd be forgive for thinking it was a national epidemic.

I've never felt as though I needed a gun. I'm not involved in law-enforcement, the armed forces or the national guard. I'm not into target shooting either, so why exactly would i need one? I 'could' buy myself a Walther P99, just to say I own James Bond's gun - and show it off to friends and visitors, but aside from owning a useless lump of metal - I've an idea that it would make me look like a #######. A bit like fat, balding middle-age men who buy expensive sports cars to compensate for their lack of "other" things.

yet your dislike for firearms shows and it's not a secret that you'd be quite pleased to see that (removal of firearms from the law abiding populace) occur.

Who, other than a genuine shooting enthusiast can honestly say they "like" guns? If I started going around saying "I like knives" people would think I was a bit of a psycho.

The only thing I find suspect is the psychology of needing a gun to protect oneself in society. As I said, I don't own one, I've never needed one. I don't see the point - and I don't like pandering to fear by assuming that the outside world is so dangerous that I must keep a loaded gun under my pillow.

i am one who does shooting for sport. i also live out where if someone was breaking into my house, i could wait up to 30 minutes before the law arrives. it's a given that one needs to be able to defend oneself instead of rely on the sparse police protection.

I guess you have reason to think there's enough of a threat to justify owning one. I don't see that threat personally - I think you'd be 100 times more likely of being mugged in the street than have your home invaded. I don't see many people carrying guns on their person when they go to the store (i.e. when you're most at risk).

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Yay!! I'll move there. it will be the safest town in the US. Look at Washington DC.. they have the most restrictive gun laws and the most crime,

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yay!! I'll move there. it will be the safest town in the US. Look at Washington DC.. they have the most restrictive gun laws and the most crime,

They also have a high level of general poverty. There's always high crime in poor neighborhoods.

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

I live in the middle of knowhere in Pennsylvania, and have been to towns like this. Trust me, everyone already has a gun.

At which point I'd seriously think about moving to another town.

Honestly, if people having guns bothers you, its time to leave the US. One of the things I learned early on is exactly how widespread gun ownership is, amongst people you wouldn't expect. Its part of the culture here.

What bothers me is the psychology - that people feel that they need them in order to stay safe in their towns and homes.

just as it bothers me that some feel we'll all be safe by taking them away from the law abiding public

The media has a general tendency to over-report violent crime, giving rise to the impression that there is more of it than there actually is. The kneejerk reaction against pedophiles (who form a tiny percentage of sex-crimes, itself a small percentage of violent crime) is a case in point. From watching the news you'd be forgive for thinking it was a national epidemic.

I've never felt as though I needed a gun. I'm not involved in law-enforcement, the armed forces or the national guard. I'm not into target shooting either, so why exactly would i need one? I 'could' buy myself a Walther P99, just to say I own James Bond's gun - and show it off to friends and visitors, but aside from owning a useless lump of metal - I've an idea that it would make me look like a #######. A bit like fat, balding middle-age men who buy expensive sports cars to compensate for their lack of "other" things.

yet your dislike for firearms shows and it's not a secret that you'd be quite pleased to see that (removal of firearms from the law abiding populace) occur.

Who, other than a genuine shooting enthusiast can honestly say they "like" guns? If I started going around saying "I like knives" people would think I was a bit of a psycho.

The only thing I find suspect is the psychology of needing a gun to protect oneself in society. As I said, I don't own one, I've never needed one. I don't see the point - and I don't like pandering to fear by assuming that the outside world is so dangerous that I must keep a loaded gun under my pillow.

i am one who does shooting for sport. i also live out where if someone was breaking into my house, i could wait up to 30 minutes before the law arrives. it's a given that one needs to be able to defend oneself instead of rely on the sparse police protection.

I guess you have reason to think there's enough of a threat to justify owning one. I don't see that threat personally - I think you'd be 100 times more likely of being mugged in the street than have your home invaded. I don't see many people carrying guns on their person when they go to the store (i.e. when you're most at risk).

and that is one reason many states are issuing cch licenses you can add kansas to that list on 1 jan 07

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

and that is one reason many states are issuing cch licenses you can add kansas to that list on 1 jan 07

Great.. Personally I'd like to see everyone strap an explosive belt to their chest and carry a "dead man's handle". I can't see that taking off personally - but noone would mess with you.

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

and that is one reason many states are issuing cch licenses you can add kansas to that list on 1 jan 07

Great.. Personally I'd like to see everyone strap an explosive belt to their chest and carry a "dead man's handle". I can't see that taking off personally - but noone would mess with you.

maybe in the middle east, but not in the usa.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

and that is one reason many states are issuing cch licenses you can add kansas to that list on 1 jan 07

Great.. Personally I'd like to see everyone strap an explosive belt to their chest and carry a "dead man's handle". I can't see that taking off personally - but noone would mess with you.

maybe in the middle east, but not in the usa.

An escalation of firepower should create a "safer society" no?

I seem to remember reading one that the husband of another VJers had a narrow escape last week when a crazy lady pulled a gun and shot a co-worker.

While the ownership of firearms have demonstrated something of a reduction in crime rates, I think they cause more problems than they solve - and promotes the idea that a person should take the law into their own hands.

Shouldn't people be asking why there aren't enough police on their streets, and how their taxes are being spent?

[Alex+R 0]

If I were a "burglar," the likes of which Sherriff Andy over there seems to be trying to keep out of Mayberry, I'd be much more likely to shoot someone who was pointing a gun at me.

Seems that's generally what criminals do in that situation, too...

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

and that is one reason many states are issuing cch licenses you can add kansas to that list on 1 jan 07

Great.. Personally I'd like to see everyone strap an explosive belt to their chest and carry a "dead man's handle". I can't see that taking off personally - but noone would mess with you.

maybe in the middle east, but not in the usa.

An escalation of firepower should create a "safer society" no?

I seem to remember reading one that the husband of another VJers had a narrow escape last week when a crazy lady pulled a gun and shot a co-worker.

While the ownership of firearms have demonstrated something of a reduction in crime rates, I think they cause more problems than they solve - and promotes the idea that a person should take the law into their own hands.

Shouldn't people be asking why there aren't enough police on their streets, and how their taxes are being spent?

yes, that story is a demonstration of someone who had one illegally too i bet

that about a person taking the law into their own hands is complete nonsense. to be licensed to carry a concealed handgun, you must complete (at least in texas and kansas that i know of) an eight hour course which specifically covers situations when deadly force is authorized in the eyes of the law. furthermore, i feel safer being around those who are law abiding and have completed some form of safety training rather than some yahoo criminal who acquired his firearm thru theft and has no clue as to the ramifications when he or she pulls the trigger.

you can ask all you want about police and why there are not more. the easy answer is if you want more, pay more taxes.

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

If I were a "burglar," the likes of which Sherriff Andy over there seems to be trying to keep out of Mayberry, I'd be much more likely to shoot someone who was pointing a gun at me.

Seems that's generally what criminals do in that situation, too...

the homeowner is defending himself from an armed intruder. what, pray tell, is the armed criminal protecting himself from? an armed homeowner? how ludicrous! if the armed criminal was so concerned about his or her safety, he or she would not be breaking into a house to begin with as an armed criminal, breaking and entering, is fair game. i also doubt you'd be foolish enough to be breaking into someone's house though.

[Alex+R 0]

If I were a "burglar," the likes of which Sherriff Andy over there seems to be trying to keep out of Mayberry, I'd be much more likely to shoot someone who was pointing a gun at me.

Seems that's generally what criminals do in that situation, too...

the homeowner is defending himself from an armed intruder. what, pray tell, is the armed criminal protecting himself from? an armed homeowner? how ludicrous! if the armed criminal was so concerned about his or her safety, he or she would not be breaking into a house to begin with as an armed criminal, breaking and entering, is fair game. i also doubt you'd be foolish enough to be breaking into someone's house though.

What is the criminal protecting himself from? YES an armed homeowner. Pointing a gun at him. What about the guy being a homeowner changes the fact that he's pointing a gun at the criminal, and will probably do anything to protect his family?

Yes, oftentimes the folks who do this for money are not the brightest.

And they're certainly not immune to fear. If you're waving a gun around, people usually do what you want. Unless they have a gun, and can kill you. That can be scary.

Do you believe that if someone is breaking and entering, they automatically are not afraid of death? That confused me.

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

If I were a "burglar," the likes of which Sherriff Andy over there seems to be trying to keep out of Mayberry, I'd be much more likely to shoot someone who was pointing a gun at me.

Seems that's generally what criminals do in that situation, too...

the homeowner is defending himself from an armed intruder. what, pray tell, is the armed criminal protecting himself from? an armed homeowner? how ludicrous! if the armed criminal was so concerned about his or her safety, he or she would not be breaking into a house to begin with as an armed criminal, breaking and entering, is fair game. i also doubt you'd be foolish enough to be breaking into someone's house though.

What is the criminal protecting himself from? YES an armed homeowner. Pointing a gun at him. What about the guy being a homeowner changes the fact that he's pointing a gun at the criminal, and will probably do anything to protect his family?

Yes, oftentimes the folks who do this for money are not the brightest.

And they're certainly not immune to fear. If you're waving a gun around, people usually do what you want. Unless they have a gun, and can kill you. That can be scary.

Do you believe that if someone is breaking and entering, they automatically are not afraid of death? That confused me.

i find it amazing that you find nothing wrong with an armed criminal breaking into someone's home, yet you take great offense with the homeowner defending his home and probably his life and his family. jeesh.