RFE Removing of Conditions

[Matt n Shannon 3]

Hello All and Thank You for the Help in advance.

Recently received an RFE because they said we did not submit enough evidence.

We submitted joint tax forms for 2012 Tax Year.

Health Insurance Cards Both names

Car Insurance

Photos

Trip Itineraries.

Joint Bank Account Statement

Lease with Both names on it signed end of 2012.

They stated that we have to submit a information for the first year my wife entered in the US which was 2011.

But the lease at that time only had my name on it although she was living there. I am not sure what else we can submit from 2011 to show a bonafide marriage. They specifically requested the lease for 2011.

What other options of evidence can we send?

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

Taxes from 2011, joint bank account statements from 2011, a note why you didn't have a joint lease then...

[Merrytooth 5,748]

You must send in those joint tax transcripts 2011&2012, joint bank accounts, credit cards statements and other joint bills spanning for the 2 years (don't have to print out every month, could be every quarterly printout in the last 2 years).

BONAFIDE EVIDENCE Example list for ROC

1. Evidence of Joint Ownership of Assets and Shared Financial Responsibility

• Joint Federal / State Tax transcripts for 2 years
• Joint bank account statements, spanning over 2 years
• Proof of joint credit card use, spanning over 2 years
• Mortgage loan contract or lease contract with both partners’ names in it
• Power of Attorney
• Wills
• Utility / Cable TV / Cell phone / Pets visit / Membership / Joint purchase bills
• Life insurance policy showing spouse as beneficiary
• Health insurance / Dental / Medical Bills
• Car insurance
• 401(K) account information showing spouse as beneficiary

2. Photographic Evidence

• Photos of you two together
• Photos of you two with family (such as wedding, parties, kids’ graduation, etc.)
• Photos of you two in various locations and times

3. Other Evidence in Support of Bona Fide Marriage

• Birth certificates of any children born to you together
• Sworn affidavits of friends and/or family
• Letters/cards from friends and/or family
• Vacation / honeymoon photos / Boarding Passes showing both of you travelling together
• Hotel receipts with both your names
• Other Misc receipts with both partners’ names in shipping/billing address
• Joint Fishing or Hunting license
• List spouse as each other emergency contact form from the employers

[Navyk 78]

Hello All and Thank You for the Help in advance.

Recently received an RFE because they said we did not submit enough evidence.

We submitted joint tax forms for 2012 Tax Year.

Health Insurance Cards Both names

Car Insurance

Photos

Trip Itineraries.

Joint Bank Account Statement

Lease with Both names on it signed end of 2012.

They stated that we have to submit a information for the first year my wife entered in the US which was 2011.

But the lease at that time only had my name on it although she was living there. I am not sure what else we can submit from 2011 to show a bonafide marriage. They specifically requested the lease for 2011.

What other options of evidence can we send?

Yes, you will have to provide information on your living together in 2011. Explain to them why you don't have a 2011 lease and 2011 Tax Returns. Also add affidavits from family and friends specifically covering 2011 period of your living together. Look for any other additional evidence - like Driver Licenses with same address......

If they are not convinced, they will call you for interview, which is a cake walk for all genuine couple.

[Rob and Jill 82]

We had the exact same thing happen.

Sent in the following:

Joint tax returns (they want STATEMENTS from the IRS by the way)

Health insurance cards (they said the cards didn't show an expiration date on them so those wouldn't work. I guess you're required by some random immigration law to always have health insurance?)

Joint Bank Account Statements (they said since we ONLY use debit cards and it didn't show WHO made the transactions that the information didn't work...even with his name on the account)

Car Insurance declarations pages

Photos

Copies of the utilities that will show his & my name (Almost all of them say "he's an authorized user", but WILL NOT show his name on the bill.)

A letter explaining why any debt we have is not together (Anyone else heard of Dave Ramsey for crying out loud? Anyone heard of an immigrant NOT having a credit score and not ONE SINGLE STINKING BANK letting me put him on the refinance? Anyone else actually have a car that's paid off?) We're trying NOT to get in to debt so it's pretty freaking insane that having debt together is how you show you're "legitimate".)

Anyway, I could rant and rave on this all day. I have yet to be as ticked off during this entire process as I was the day the RFE came in the mail.

We lost our benefits because my husband switched jobs and we're waiting the 90 period before we can get new benefits...which will not be in time for the RFE. Life insurance for the both of us is INSANE cost wise outside of a group plan and I get denied for health insurance outside of a group health plan. I can't have children, so that's out. We do NOW have a credit card where he is an authorized user, so YAY for getting into debt to prove legitimacy. (insert plethora of cussing at the immigration office for that)

I guess we're down to Power of Attorney and a ton of affadavits from friends and family showing them we're real. They've pissed me off so bad over this, I am tempted to demand an interview, rent a 15 passenger van, load everyone I know in to it, drive to Memphis, and let them get their butts chewed 15 times for being absurd.

Sorry I'm a grump, but seriously this is frustrating!

[Rob and Jill 82]

On a sidenote:

Does anyone know what KIND of affadavit you need from friends and family? I can't seem to find if it is specific or a general type of affadavit.

[Navyk 78]

On a sidenote:

Does anyone know what KIND of affadavit you need from friends and family? I can't seem to find if it is specific or a general type of affadavit.

First of all, please chill and take it easy. It is only matter of time you will get the condition removed - this better than the I-130/ DS-230 time, where the spouse not with other spouse.

Affidavit can be as simple as it can be mentioning the details of the persons personal knowledge of the couple married/ living together. However the first paragraph should provide a detailed description of self (the one who is executing) - full name, age, address and the details of ones relationship with one of the the couple or if one is a neighbor or friend..... Any free format works.

[Rob and Jill 82]

Thank you Navyk. I'll get some friends to start writing their affadavits.

It would be a lot easier to chill if this wasn't so insane. I would have rather they just said "Come for an interview" rather than sending a letter telling me to send all the stuff I CAN'T send because it DOESN'T EXIST. I shouldn't have to have a mountain of debt with my husband to prove we're legit.

[Navyk 78]

Thank you Navyk. I'll get some friends to start writing their affadavits.

It would be a lot easier to chill if this wasn't so insane. I would have rather they just said "Come for an interview" rather than sending a letter telling me to send all the stuff I CAN'T send because it DOESN'T EXIST. I shouldn't have to have a mountain of debt with my husband to prove we're legit.

In the given link go down to the I-751/ Lifting condition examples and you have an example form there to look at. All the best.

http://www.visajourney.com/content/examples

[victorian221b 12]

I just want to say good luck! I completely understand your feeling. I got an RFE too and just have to rack my brains and comb through this forum to figure out what more I can submit. If you look closely you will find there are a lot of ways to get documents especially from official bodies like the bank.

At the end of the day, I think it comes down to who reviewed your application and maybe that person just wants to see some more effort. If you look, there is at least 3-4 cases per month, per service center that received RFEs and whereas most of the rest are approved. Everyone's submission is different, so how is it likely that everyone that is approved have submitted the exact same things?

Good luck~

We had the exact same thing happen.

Sent in the following:

Joint tax returns (they want STATEMENTS from the IRS by the way)

Health insurance cards (they said the cards didn't show an expiration date on them so those wouldn't work. I guess you're required by some random immigration law to always have health insurance?)

Joint Bank Account Statements (they said since we ONLY use debit cards and it didn't show WHO made the transactions that the information didn't work...even with his name on the account)

Car Insurance declarations pages

Photos

Copies of the utilities that will show his & my name (Almost all of them say "he's an authorized user", but WILL NOT show his name on the bill.)

A letter explaining why any debt we have is not together (Anyone else heard of Dave Ramsey for crying out loud? Anyone heard of an immigrant NOT having a credit score and not ONE SINGLE STINKING BANK letting me put him on the refinance? Anyone else actually have a car that's paid off?) We're trying NOT to get in to debt so it's pretty freaking insane that having debt together is how you show you're "legitimate".)

Anyway, I could rant and rave on this all day. I have yet to be as ticked off during this entire process as I was the day the RFE came in the mail.

We lost our benefits because my husband switched jobs and we're waiting the 90 period before we can get new benefits...which will not be in time for the RFE. Life insurance for the both of us is INSANE cost wise outside of a group plan and I get denied for health insurance outside of a group health plan. I can't have children, so that's out. We do NOW have a credit card where he is an authorized user, so YAY for getting into debt to prove legitimacy. (insert plethora of cussing at the immigration office for that)

I guess we're down to Power of Attorney and a ton of affadavits from friends and family showing them we're real. They've pissed me off so bad over this, I am tempted to demand an interview, rent a 15 passenger van, load everyone I know in to it, drive to Memphis, and let them get their butts chewed 15 times for being absurd.

Sorry I'm a grump, but seriously this is frustrating!

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

Thank you Navyk. I'll get some friends to start writing their affadavits.

It would be a lot easier to chill if this wasn't so insane. I would have rather they just said "Come for an interview" rather than sending a letter telling me to send all the stuff I CAN'T send because it DOESN'T EXIST. I shouldn't have to have a mountain of debt with my husband to prove we're legit.

You don't have to "have a mountain of debt." I think you were, and still are, confused about the expectations and requirements.

[Matt n Shannon 3]

Well we are going to get our tax transcripts for 2011 explain why she isn't on lease for 2011, submit the new lease we just signed for our new place. Plus 5 affidavits. I am not sure what else I could possibly submit.

[Navyk 78]

Well we are going to get our tax transcripts for 2011 explain why she isn't on lease for 2011, submit the new lease we just signed for our new place. Plus 5 affidavits. I am not sure what else I could possibly submit.

Look good. I trust you sent the full bank accounts covering 2011 - at least one per quarter. All the best.

[Matt n Shannon 3]

I didn't but I will this time around. Plus we just took out a small loan together for some debt consolidation.

[Rob and Jill 82]

You don't have to "have a mountain of debt." I think you were, and still are, confused about the expectations and requirements.

I think not, but thank you anyway.

I just want to say good luck! I completely understand your feeling. I got an RFE too and just have to rack my brains and comb through this forum to figure out what more I can submit. If you look closely you will find there are a lot of ways to get documents especially from official bodies like the bank.

At the end of the day, I think it comes down to who reviewed your application and maybe that person just wants to see some more effort. If you look, there is at least 3-4 cases per month, per service center that received RFEs and whereas most of the rest are approved. Everyone's submission is different, so how is it likely that everyone that is approved have submitted the exact same things?

Good luck~

Thank you and you as well. We're scraping together as much as we can, but if worse comes to worse, then they are more than welcome to interview us and the storm of people we can bring to back it up! HA!