Question about joint co-sponsor I864 (merged)

[David & Diana R 1,005]

I didn't see the deleted post but expect the deletion had more to do with HOW you said it. Clearly, the fastest and cleanest way to sponsor an immigrant occurs when the petitioner has adequate employment income. The OP has said nothing about their own "current income" from any current employment. Obviously, for the petitioner to find a job, with adequate income is ALWAYS a viable solution.

With this being a Pakistan case, expect that just meeting the minimum is not going to be enough to satisfy the Consular Officer, particularly if the petitioner is not currently employed.

Here is what the OP said about his income:

I earned $202 last year, but I was told I am not required to file taxes. I would write them a letter of 2 lines stating what you mentioned above and sign it. Then my joint sponsor, my mom, has to file in I-1864 with me as well. True?

I wish you had seen the post. It was very nice and constructive...meant to make people think, especially the person asking the question. Trust me there was not one objectionable word in the post. But of course you and no one else will ever see it because some moderators have their own agendas...I spose for some it's just too politically incorrect to suggest that someone should get a job to support themselve and the ones they love. I mean if you ask me this is why the VISA process includes the minimum guidelines for income. Anyway God Bless

Aloha Ke Akua

[hope2014 0]

I didn't see the deleted post but expect the deletion had more to do with HOW you said it. Clearly, the fastest and cleanest way to sponsor an immigrant occurs when the petitioner has adequate employment income. The OP has said nothing about their own "current income" from any current employment. Obviously, for the petitioner to find a job, with adequate income is ALWAYS a viable solution.

With this being a Pakistan case, expect that just meeting the minimum is not going to be enough to satisfy the Consular Officer, particularly if the petitioner is not currently employed.

I am a graduate student. So , I did not have a job last year. I am self-employed this year and make around $500 a month. With studies that is all I can do. I would not mind someone telling me GO FIND A JOB. Because in my case I cannot go find a job with studies. However, I want to be with my loved one. I thought they also require proof from current employment as well as what was filled in the past. So currently my mom works on her own business earning X amount of $ I am not sure what to do at this point as I just needed some guidance on this issue. And basically you are saying her current employment is nothing.

If I leave the 2012 out and just give them 2009 2010 and 2011. They will obv question why I dont have 2012 tax returns.

[David & Diana R 1,005]

I am a graduate student. So , I did not have a job last year. I am self-employed this year and make around $500 a month. With studies that is all I can do. I would not mind someone telling me GO FIND A JOB. Because in my case I cannot go find a job with studies. However, I want to be with my loved one. I thought they also require proof from current employment as well as what was filled in the past. So currently my mom works on her own business earning X amount of $ I am not sure what to do at this point as I just needed some guidance on this issue. And basically you are saying her current employment is nothing.

If I leave the 2012 out and just give them 2009 2010 and 2011. They will obv question why I dont have 2012 tax returns.

I am so happy to hear you are a graduate student, that's great. But seriously, maybe you should think this whole thing over. I am not trying to be mean and I understand your wanting to be with the one you love. I have been thru the process and it can be very difficult. But seriously, do YOU really want to bring your loved one here to live under this difficult situation? Do you really want your mom, who was sick last year to stress about supporting not only you but also your spouse? I am trying to be helpful. I mean no harm. In fact I mean to help. I wish you luck in all that your do. Good luck with your studies. I will pray for your mom also.

God Bless,

Aloha Ke Akua

[hope2014 0]

I am so happy to hear you are a graduate student, that's great. But seriously, maybe you should think this whole thing over. I am not trying to be mean and I understand your wanting to be with the one you love. I have been thru the process and it can be very difficult. But seriously, do YOU really want to bring your loved one here to live under this difficult situation? Do you really want your mom, who was sick last year to stress about supporting not only you but also your spouse? I am trying to be helpful. I mean no harm. In fact I mean to help. I wish you luck in all that your do. Good luck with your studies. I will pray for your mom also.

God Bless,

Aloha Ke Akua

Yes, I would want to because obviously my loved one is a pharmacist and I hope by the time they come here they will find a job to support me. She is not going to support us in any means, she is just being the joint sponsor. We have our own means to support oursevles. I believe in United States if you can work hard, you can survive with a median paying job as well. I understand your concerns thanks for that.

I just needed guidance so when I sumbit my paperwork it does not get rejected.

[David & Diana R 1,005]

Yes, I would want to because obviously my loved one is a pharmacist and I hope by the time they come here they will find a job to support me. She is not going to support us in any means, she is just being the joint sponsor. We have our own means to support oursevles. I believe in United States if you can work hard, you can survive with a median paying job as well. I understand your concerns thanks for that.

I just needed guidance so when I sumbit my paperwork it does not get rejected.

Good luck and God Speed my friend...

Aloha Ke Akua

[jhunjhun 7]

I am a graduate student. So , I did not have a job last year. I am self-employed this year and make around $500 a month. With studies that is all I can do. I would not mind someone telling me GO FIND A JOB. Because in my case I cannot go find a job with studies. However, I want to be with my loved one. I thought they also require proof from current employment as well as what was filled in the past. So currently my mom works on her own business earning X amount of $ I am not sure what to do at this point as I just needed some guidance on this issue. And basically you are saying her current employment is nothing.

If I leave the 2012 out and just give them 2009 2010 and 2011. They will obv question why I dont have 2012 tax returns.

Your income this time is not imperative since you obviously did not meet the poverty requirements. The important income that has to be considered is your mom income or your joint sponsor income.

[pushbrk 13,124]

I am a graduate student. So , I did not have a job last year. I am self-employed this year and make around $500 a month. With studies that is all I can do. I would not mind someone telling me GO FIND A JOB. Because in my case I cannot go find a job with studies. However, I want to be with my loved one. I thought they also require proof from current employment as well as what was filled in the past. So currently my mom works on her own business earning X amount of $ I am not sure what to do at this point as I just needed some guidance on this issue. And basically you are saying her current employment is nothing.

If I leave the 2012 out and just give them 2009 2010 and 2011. They will obv question why I dont have 2012 tax returns.

You're not listening. Your mother has no "employment". She is self employed, so she has a "business". Words mean things and in this context, your mother has no current income. So, she doesn't qualify as your sponsor at this time. There's nothing you can do differently on the affidavit to make her qualify. She simply does not qualify. You have two options. Find another joint sponsor who currently qualifies to sponsor your spouse, or get a job so you qualify on your own.

2012 is the past. She was "employed" then. Her current income is ZERO....BECAUSE....she hasn't filed a tax return for it yet. Quarterlies are NOT tax returns. If that's not clear, let me add. Your mother could have made six figures as an employee in 2010, 2011 and 2012 and she STILL would have ZERO income NOW, because she switched to self employment and none of that income has yet appeared on a federal"tax return". REALLY. Take it to the bank.

[pushbrk 13,124]

I just needed guidance so when I sumbit my paperwork it does not get rejected.

If you use your mother as a joint sponsor, there is no way to submit the paperwork so that it will not get rejected, BECAUSE, your mother currently does not qualify as the joint sponsor. Find somebody else.

[David & Diana R 1,005]

You're not listening. Your mother has no "employment". She is self employed, so she has a "business". Words mean things and in this context, your mother has no current income. So, she doesn't qualify as your sponsor at this time. There's nothing you can do differently on the affidavit to make her qualify. She simply does not qualify. You have two options. Find another joint sponsor who currently qualifies to sponsor your spouse, or get a job so you qualify on your own.

2012 is the past. She was "employed" then. Her current income is ZERO....BECAUSE....she hasn't filed a tax return for it yet. Quarterlies are NOT tax returns. If that's not clear, let me add. Your mother could have made six figures as an employee in 2010, 2011 and 2012 and she STILL would have ZERO income NOW, because she switched to self employment and none of that income has yet appeared on a federal"tax return". REALLY. Take it to the bank.

Who doesn't love a STRAIGHT TALKIN' MEMBER?? I do~!

[hope2014 0]

You're not listening. Your mother has no "employment". She is self employed, so she has a "business". Words mean things and in this context, your mother has no current income. So, she doesn't qualify as your sponsor at this time. There's nothing you can do differently on the affidavit to make her qualify. She simply does not qualify. You have two options. Find another joint sponsor who currently qualifies to sponsor your spouse, or get a job so you qualify on your own.

2012 is the past. She was "employed" then. Her current income is ZERO....BECAUSE....she hasn't filed a tax return for it yet. Quarterlies are NOT tax returns. If that's not clear, let me add. Your mother could have made six figures as an employee in 2010, 2011 and 2012 and she STILL would have ZERO income NOW, because she switched to self employment and none of that income has yet appeared on a federal"tax return". REALLY. Take it to the bank.

YOU know there are other ways to get around this situation BESIDES finding your own job and beside having another sponsor, which another memeber just made me realize about. If YOU have been through this process, you would know everything so I would not waste my timing telling about what those ways are. YES, it is true that there is a chance of rejection, that is why I am HERE and asking for guidance and help before sumbitting everything. I REALLY appreciate your TIME and ENERGY to emphasize the points to me >

YES, I will take it to the bank its seems like now!!

[pushbrk 13,124]

Yes, if there were another or better way to satisfy the public charge concern than I've indicated above, I...WOULD...know about it. Not simply because I've been through it before myself but because of my far more extensive experience than that. Believe now or learn the lesson the hard way later. It's your choice.

[hope2014 0]

Hi,

I am applying for my spouse and using my mother as my joint sponsor.

She has met above poverty line guidlines in 2009, 2010, 2011

But in 2012 because she was out of country/sick she only made 12k gross 9k

And she needs to be above $24,414 to meet the requirement.

Now, staring of 2013 she started her own business, self-employed as many members have told she would not qualify as even her quaterly taxes won't help even though she earns $2500/month after taxes .

She owns three family cars.

One is not that much used which cost around ( not sure if we can include that)

she owns a Freightliner ( which is around at the moment, not sure if we can use that)

Plus I also read the assets have to make up 5 times the difference. So for 2012 she is short $15, 414 and 5 times of that is roughly 77k

which would not be covered by the Freightliner or the car.

Now my question is she has 3 foreign property which are worth $125,000. And I believe that would be sufficient to cover the year 2012.

Just making sure can we include those? I know I would probably need an apparisal letter for all 3 properties. And she has 2 foreign account as well which have had both $10k within the past 12 months.

Any help / comment is appreicated!~

[Penguin_ie 5,997]

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[kzielu 1,149]

Now my question is she has 3 foreign property which are worth $125,000. And I believe that would be sufficient to cover the year 2012.

Just making sure can we include those? I know I would probably need an apparisal letter for all 3 properties. And she has 2 foreign account as well which have had both $10k within the past 12 months.

Any help / comment is appreicated!~

Of course you can't if foreign means non-US. US government doesn't really care what people own outside US.

[pushbrk 13,124]

Plus I also read the assets have to make up 5 times the difference. So for 2012 she is short $15, 414 and 5 times of that is roughly 77k

which would not be covered by the Freightliner or the car.

Now my question is she has 3 foreign property which are worth $125,000. And I believe that would be sufficient to cover the year 2012.

Just making sure can we include those? I know I would probably need an apparisal letter for all 3 properties. And she has 2 foreign account as well which have had both $10k within the past 12 months.

Any help / comment is appreicated!~

Not sure why you keep mentioning covering 2012 or FOR 2012. Questions the past tax returns are only for information. Wherever you got the idea that a sponsor must qualify for each of the past three years, is simply wrong. Get it out of your head.

No, foreign property cannot be used to qualify as sponsor. Please read the I-864 instructions regarding the use of assets and pay special attention to the explanation of "liquid".

Again, for the self employed, USCIS and Consular Officers do not consider self employment revenue, to be "income" until it appears on line 22 of a duly filed 1040 form. One option you have is to wait to submit the i-864 forms until your mother files her tax return for 2013, sometime next year. There's probably no reason she couldn't file in January, since she's self employed. If you try to file those I-864 forms now, NVC will tell you to get a qualified sponsor. You can wait until your mother qualifies, find a job, or find another qualified sponsor.