Police: Young woman killed in gunfight between concealed weapon permit holder, felon

[Harsh_77 718]

In MA, if you are found guilty of OUI, you lose your concealed carry permit. Forever. You lose your FID card for 5 years. Harsh punishment in a crime that didn't involve a gun.

In pretty much all the state if one is found guilty of OUI or DWI they lose the CCW if they ever had one or would not get one in future.

The problem is criminals do not care about losing the right of CCW that does not mean anything to them; they are going to carry anyways just as we saw in this case.

Someone would say keep them in prison for longer time but as the present scenario is there is no room and lot of these folks get out lot sooner and even after the jail term is it changing them?

Most of them return to the criminal activities, business as usual.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

In pretty much all the state if one is found guilty of OUI or DWI they lose the CCW if they ever had one or would not get one in future.

The problem is criminals do not care about losing the right of CCW that does not mean anything to them; they are going to carry anyways just as we saw in this case.

Someone would say keep them in prison for longer time but as the present scenario is there is no room and lot of these folks get out lot sooner and even after the jail term is it changing them?

Most of them return to the criminal activities, business as usual.

So logically the thing to do is prevent the law abiding citizens from carrying so that just the criminals would have guns. That would be the right thing to do.

[Harsh_77 718]

So logically the thing to do is prevent the law abiding citizens from carrying so that just the criminals would have guns. That would be the right thing to do.

I never said that, I have always been in favor of CCW.

What I said was the court let out these felons early and they are back to what they were doing business as usual.

These felons don't care if they lose their right of CCW, they are going to carry anyways so losing right of CCW is not harsh punishment for them.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Still you have not said who is non FFL dealer.

For the simple minded, any vendor that does not possess an FFL.

[Harsh_77 718]

For the simple minded, any vendor that does not possess an FFL.

I guess you are so brainwashed by anti gun lobby that you cannot understand that without a lic dealing in guns is illegal, it is a felony crime.

One cannot be in business of buying and selling gun without lic.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I'm in. How bout we turn the entire state of California into a prison?

We retain the choice of letting Bill out if we want to.

Why would you turn a commie paradise into a prison? Where would the Democrats get all their money? Where would the Republicans buy all their pornos? Edited August 20, 2013 by The Patriot

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I never said that, I have always been in favor of CCW.

What I said was the court let out these felons early and they are back to what they were doing business as usual.

These felons don't care if they lose their right of CCW, they are going to carry anyways so losing right of CCW is not harsh punishment for them.

Sorry, I thought my sarcasm was obvious.

I agree, once they get out, the majority will go back to doing what they did before. A law isn't going to stop a criminal from committing a crime. The bad guys will always have guns.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

One cannot be in business of buying and selling gun without lic.

And yet they do, in public venues, so your statement must be wrong.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Fixed, but not really relevant to the gun debate.

Murder or not, if you get caught with either an illegal gun or use a gun in the commission of another felony, they should hand out 25 years no parole.

Not for the gun debate.

But my first post is true. I just don't feel like posting all the time cops kill black men and not being sentenced at all or just getting 11 months.

[Teddy B 17,252]

So logically the thing to do is prevent the law abiding citizens from carrying so that just the criminals would have guns. That would be the right thing to do.

Logically the thing to do is prevent the flow of guns to the criminals by putting stricter controls on them. Make it harder for the so called law abiding citizens to sell their guns to the criminal element, by tightening up the laws, making them the same nationwide and increase the penalties for illegal sales.

[Harsh_77 718]

And yet they do, in public venues, so your statement must be wrong.

That is what you think and that is what anti gun media has made you believe.

You posted the link to Brady and examples in there not of dealer with no FFL, it like a guy posing with fake police ID, a FFL dealer filing of the serial number (which is crime) as the loop holes of the shows.

These are not loopholes of the show, these are criminals commiting crime.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

That is what you think and that is what anti gun media has made you believe.

You posted the link to Brady and examples in there not of dealer with no FFL, it like a guy posing with fake police ID, a FFL dealer filing of the serial number (which is crime) as the loop holes of the shows.

These are not loopholes of the show, these are criminals commiting crime.

English only outside the regional forums.

[Harsh_77 718]

Logically the thing to do is prevent the flow of guns to the criminals by putting stricter controls on them. Make it harder for the so called law abiding citizens to sell their guns to the criminal element, by tightening up the laws, making them the same nationwide and increase the penalties for illegal sales.

That is just a logic that is supposed to work, similar thing were said when states like Illinois and NY introduced stricter gun laws that strict laws would prevent criminals and prevent crime. Infact criminals found a way to get weapons, it was the law abiding citizen who could not get a weapon to protect themselves so just stricter gun control is not the solution.

The criminals caught with gun that they not supposed to have should be punished in such a way that they would not want to commit the same crime again when they are released.

English only outside the regional forums.

you are just brain washed or more brain dead.

Sorry, I thought my sarcasm was obvious.

I agree, once they get out, the majority will go back to doing what they did before. A law isn't going to stop a criminal from committing a crime. The bad guys will always have guns.

Edited August 20, 2013 by Harsh_77

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

My bad, didn't read the whole article. I need to do that before I post.

No problem I do it all the time

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Not for the gun debate.

But my first post is true. I just don't feel like posting all the time cops kill black men and not being sentenced at all or just getting 11 months.

Cop killed a black man here not too long ago. The man lunged at the , while the cop had a gun drawn on him, and after he ordered him to back up and take his hands out of his pockets. The man tried to choke the cop and dug his long finger nails into his neck causing him to bleed.

The cop, was cleared by the PD,,the local DA and the GBI. The man had assaulted someone in the same parking lot.

Still the protests raged and the local race baiters screamed bloody murder.