Police: Young woman killed in gunfight between concealed weapon permit holder, felon

[Jacque67 7,328]

No, but there is no reason that any part of the constitution can't be examined, debated and changed to conform with the changes in society. To think what was written over 200 years ago was meant to hold true today doesn't bode to well for one's level of intelligence.

True. ( run out of +1s)

[Karee 4,191]

http://www.timesnews.net/article/9028236/tennessee-appeals-court-rules-a-person-leaving-keys-in-vehicle-can-be-held-responsible-for-a-car-thiefs-crash

I wonder what ever happened with that case. I can't find anything else on it.

While the trial court summarily dismissed all claims including the the case against Ash simply because the keys had not been left in the ignition, the appeals court said that was an error. The appeals court said that determinations regarding the liability of the car operator depend upon “the entire circumstantial spectrum” and added that there is “no meaningful distinction” between a situation in which keys are left in the ignition and one in which they are left on the front seat or on the dashboard in plain view. In this case, the court said that material facts were in dispute, including the location of the keys left in the car by Ash, whether the car was parked in a private driveway or on the street, and whether it was locked.

Source:

http://www.claimsjournal.com/news/southeast/2010/12/14/115598.htm

[Karee 4,191]

No, but there is no reason that any part of the constitution can't be examined, debated and changed to conform with the changes in society. To think what was written over 200 years ago was meant to hold true today doesn't bode to well for one's level of intelligence.

Absolutely. All you need is the following:

1. Propose An Amendment

Either Congress or the States can propose an amendment ot the Constitution.

• Both Houses of Congress must propose the amendment with a two-thirds vote. This is how all current amendments have been offered.
• Two-thirds of the State legislatures must call on Congress to hold a Constitutional Convention.

2. Ratify An Admendment

Regardless of how the amendment is proposed, it must be ratified by the States.

• Three-fourths of the State legislatures must approve of the amendment proposed by Congress, or
• Three-fourths of the states must approve the amendment via ratifying conventions. This method has only been used once, to repeal Prohibition (21st Amendment).

Is there a timeline for ratification? The US Supreme Court has held that ratification must happen within "some reasonable time after the proposal." Since the 18th Amendment, Congress has set a term of seven years for ratification.

Only 33 amendments have received a two-thirds vote from both Houses of Congress. Of those, only 27 have been ratified by the States. Perhaps the most visible failure is the Equal Rights Amendment.

Neither are likely anytime soon.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

No, but there is no reason that any part of the constitution can't be examined, debated and changed to conform with the changes in society. To think what was written over 200 years ago was meant to hold true today doesn't bode to well for one's level of intelligence.

Amen....Let's have an amendment or call a constitutional convention and I will be fine

Our fore fathers were smart enough to know it needed changing at times, but also smart enough to know it did not need to be changed by a handful of people.

[Jacque67 7,328]

Absolutely. All you need is the following:

1. Propose An Amendment

Either Congress or the States can propose an amendment ot the Constitution.

• Both Houses of Congress must propose the amendment with a two-thirds vote. This is how all current amendments have been offered.
• Two-thirds of the State legislatures must call on Congress to hold a Constitutional Convention.

2. Ratify An Admendment

Regardless of how the amendment is proposed, it must be ratified by the States.

• Three-fourths of the State legislatures must approve of the amendment proposed by Congress, or
• Three-fourths of the states must approve the amendment via ratifying conventions. This method has only been used once, to repeal Prohibition (21st Amendment).

Is there a timeline for ratification? The US Supreme Court has held that ratification must happen within "some reasonable time after the proposal." Since the 18th Amendment, Congress has set a term of seven years for ratification.

Only 33 amendments have received a two-thirds vote from both Houses of Congress. Of those, only 27 have been ratified by the States. Perhaps the most visible failure is the Equal Rights Amendment.

Neither are likely anytime soon.

Not if you are apathetic , no.

However if you study history, you will find the actions of a few can have a larger impact in the long run.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Amen....Let's have an amendment or call a constitutional convention and I will be fine

Our fore fathers were smart enough to know it needed changing at times, but also smart enough to know it did not need to be changed by a handful of people.

In case you haven't noticed, the majority of US citizens are in favor of stricter gun control, that's a bit more than a handful.

[Karee 4,191]

Not if you are apathetic , no.

However if you study history, you will find the actions of a few can have a larger impact in the long run.

First of all to even get the ball rolling you need 1 of 2 things to happen.

1. Both houses of congress with a two-thirds vote. I'd bet they couldn't get a two-thirds majority on a resolution stating the sky is blue, let alone anything to do with the second amendment.

2. Two-thirds of the state legislatures need to call on Congress. That's 34 states. Good luck with that. Here's 17 states that would never go along with that:

Alabama

Alaska

Arizona

Arkansas

Georgia

Idaho

Iowa

Kansas

Kentucky

Louisiana

Mississippi

Missouri

Montana

Nebraska

Nevada

North Carolina

Oklahoma

I only made it to the letter 'O' and there's your 17 states.

[mota bhai 2,675]

First of all to even get the ball rolling you need 1 of 2 things to happen.

1. Both houses of congress with a two-thirds vote. I'd bet they couldn't get a two-thirds majority on a resolution stating the sky is blue, let alone anything to do with the second amendment.

A bill that said "Go Second Amendment! Yay Second Amendment!" would still get filibustered.

[Karee 4,191]

A bill that said "Go Second Amendment! Yay Second Amendment!" would still get filibustered.

I bet it would.

[Jacque67 7,328]

First of all to even get the ball rolling you need 1 of 2 things to happen.

1. Both houses of congress with a two-thirds vote. I'd bet they couldn't get a two-thirds majority on a resolution stating the sky is blue, let alone anything to do with the second amendment.

2. Two-thirds of the state legislatures need to call on Congress. That's 34 states. Good luck with that. Here's 17 states that would never go along with that:

Alabama

Alaska

Arizona

Arkansas

Georgia

Idaho

Iowa

Kansas

Kentucky

Louisiana

Mississippi

Missouri

Montana

Nebraska

Nevada

North Carolina

Oklahoma

I only made it to the letter 'O' and there's your 17 states.

So by your line of thinking, if you were black in the early twentieth century there would be no way a black man could become president Edited August 20, 2013 by Jacque67

[Teddy B 17,252]

A bill that said "Go Second Amendment! Yay Second Amendment!" would still get filibustered.

True dat!

We've got a bunch of dysfunctional eejits in Washington.

[mota bhai 2,675]

So by your line of thinking, if you were black in the early twentieth century there would be no way a black man could become president

There are more procedural hurdles to a Constitutional amendment than there are to electing someone President.

[Karee 4,191]

So by your line of thinking, if you were black in the early twentieth century there would be no way a black man could become president

So what your saying is that if we get the ball rolling now, in 100 years we might be able to change the second amendment?

There are more procedural hurdles to a Constitutional amendment than there are to electing someone President.

Yeah that as well. Obama didn't win 34 states, nor would he ever get a two thirds vote in congress to be president.

[Jacque67 7,328]

So what your saying is that if we get the ball rolling now, in 100 years we might be able to change the second amendment?

Yeah that as well. Obama didn't win 34 states, nor would he ever get a two thirds vote in congress to be president.

Maybe. I believe in the greater good. Feel free to call me dumb. Edited August 20, 2013 by Jacque67

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

In case you haven't noticed, the majority of US citizens are in favor of stricter gun control, that's a bit more than a handful.

The majority of citizens are in favor of the Westboro Baptist Church not being allowed to protest at funerals

why do you think they still get to ?

Thanks God we live in a society that is not a true democracy. can you imagine what that would be like, if every time a simple majority favored something, wham--we did it.

Nice quote from Ben Franklin

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty.