Got married in the PI, got divorced in US, wanting to re-marry, now a USC

[Darnell 8,478]

Hank - usually, when writing 'USC' here - its 'the other person' - ultimately the human that signed an I-864.

That's not the case here. CutiePatooie filed the divorce, not her husband.

Are you saying that CutiePatootie's fact of USCitizenship is going to change this stuff? I'm thinking not, but in the same breath - wouldn't it be nice to get a break back in the PI, just this once? yak..

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

No you are still confused.

A divorce in the the USA is recognized in the Philippines if the USC initiates the divorce. Then no annulment is required.

I don't think Darnell is confused - I think it's just = you guys are talking about 2 different scenarios.

OP Scenario = Recognition.

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

Regarding Property. I like links. This 1 is helpful.

http://kittelsoncarpo.com/philippines-property-ownership

[Hank_ 9,174]

Hank - usually, when writing 'USC' here - its 'the other person' - ultimately the human that signed an I-864.

That's not the case here. CutiePatooie filed the divorce, not her husband.

Are you saying that CutiePatootie's fact of USCitizenship is going to change this stuff? I'm thinking not, but in the same breath - wouldn't it be nice to get a break back in the PI, just this once? yak..

For a divorce from another country (such as the USA) to be recognized in the Philippines (yes the Philippines does recognize divorces), the non- Filipino (as in American) must initiate the divorce, then the divorce documents can be recorded and the divorce is accepted in the Philippines. There is no annulment process in this case.

With CutiePatootie be an USC at the time of filing for divorce, my gut still tells me the Philippines will not accept the divorce and to "clear the slate" as it were she will still have to do the annulment... but that is just opinion on my part.

I don't think Darnell is confused - I think it's just = you guys are talking about 2 different scenarios.

OP Scenario = Recognition.

My gut tells me she won't get it with her divorce... I would love to be wrong.... but ...

[cloudnine 7]

Hi,

Just a little input regarding this coz I almost got through this process. I am also a USC and got my divorce papers after acquiring US citizenship. I was in the Philippines and consulted a family lawyer and was told about "Recognition of Foreign Divorce". The lawyer said that this would be faster compared to the annulment process.

[LeeandJoy 0]

1) Yup you can get married here in the USA being you are divorced here in the USA.

2) If you want your first marriage in the Philippines "gone" being you initiated the divorce (here in the USA) you will have to complete the annulment process.

3) Foreigners can not own property (psst! Others - I don't care about condos) so all property, even if in both your names, will be owned by you.

4) Yes your future hubby can get Philippine citizenship, process is a bit involved but you can look that up easy enough.

1. agree with that

2.Phils recognizes divorce in the US.

3.Yeah the property thing sucks....better have a long term and very solid relationship before entering into this. This place is littered with horror stories of relationships gone bad and the USC left with nothing but memories.

4.For me to get Philippine citizenship I would have to live here for a total of 5 years and renounce my American citizenship to be eligible for Philippine citizenship.I would also lose my SS. From what I hear it's not easy to get it back. I'm not sure why anybody would want to do this, unless they were filthy rich and wanted to avoid taxes. There is also no such thing as dual citizenship for USC's like me.

That's my take on things anyway....been wrong before. I'm sure I will be again

[Hank_ 9,174]

1. agree with that

2.Phils recognizes divorce in the US.

3.Yeah the property thing sucks....better have a long term and very solid relationship before entering into this. This place is littered with horror stories of relationships gone bad and the USC left with nothing but memories.

4.For me to get Philippine citizenship I would have to live here for a total of 5 years and renounce my American citizenship to be eligible for Philippine citizenship.I would also lose my SS. From what I hear it's not easy to get it back. I'm not sure why anybody would want to do this, unless they were filthy rich and wanted to avoid taxes. There is also no such thing as dual citizenship for USC's like me.

That's my take on things anyway....been wrong before. I'm sure I will be again

2) ONLY if the divorce is initiated by the USC not the Filipina... which in this case she initiated the divorce not the USC (Kano)

4) I will take your work for that as I don't know the details.

[Gumbolette 58]

Ok, I can sense some bickering about this issue however I am very thankful about y'all feedbacks!

Yes, I am the one who initiated the divorce after I became a USC.

Another question: ~~ So any properties have to be solely in my name or it can be named under both?

[Gumbolette 58]

Hi,

Just a little input regarding this coz I almost got through this process. I am also a USC and got my divorce papers after acquiring US citizenship. I was in the Philippines and consulted a family lawyer and was told about "Recognition of Foreign Divorce". The lawyer said that this would be faster compared to the annulment process.

thank you Cloudnine for your input. May I asked how much it cost you to do the recognition on your divorce degree in PI? And how long do you think this process will take?

[LeeandJoy 0]

No bickering here.....just offered my 2 cents.

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

2) ONLY if the divorce is initiated by the USC not the Filipina... which in this case she initiated the divorce not the USC (Kano)

That's the rule if OP filed before citizenship. OP applied after = OP was/is US citizen & can have the divorce recognized.

(but) I still wonder if the recognition should be completed prior to applying for dual citizenship. IMO - OP Should consult PI family lawyer before applying for dual citizenship....

[Crashed~N2~Me 970]

Ok, I can sense some bickering about this issue however I am very thankful about y'all feedbacks!

Yes, I am the one who initiated the divorce after I became a USC.

Another question: ~~ So any properties have to be solely in my name or it can be named under both?

From my pov, we are just discussing - not bickering. Perhaps I have become jaded over the years & too thick skinned / skulled to recognize a bickerfest....hmmmm...have to give that some thought.

A foreign national spouse can be on the contract to purchase Philippine property. Cannot be on the Title of Ownership. In the event you pass b4 he does...he has a reasonable amount of time to sell property and collect proceeds. Otherwise the property will pass to Filipino heirs.

Under current conditions - Title of Ownership is in your name alone. (or any other Filipino citizen you might want to add to Title)

Edited August 17, 2013 by Crashed~N2~Me

[Greenbaum 12,259]

Hank_ - - - uhm, not really.

there is no divorce in the PI - lets start with that, aye?

for an annulment to be recognized, as a result of divorce in the USA,

the divorce paperwork is sent on to some office in the PI, paying fees, filling out more forms.

If the petitioner in the divorce (the person that filed) is NOT the PI person, then the annulment goes through.

If the PI Person was the petitioner in the divorce, I dunno - I've never, ever, read of an annulment in the PI being successful based on that.

Just a little correction to your statement "there is no divorce in the PI - let’s start with that, aye?"

There is a divorce in the Philippines but the circumstances for it are that you were married "Muslim" and so in a Philippine Sharia Court you can get a divorce. My fiancée received her divorce and it has been registered with local registrar and NSO with notation on the original marriage certificate. For the rest of the citizens of The Philippines, your statement is correct.

[Hank_ 9,174]

That's the rule if OP filed before citizenship. OP applied after = OP was/is US citizen & can have the divorce recognized.

(but) I still wonder if the recognition should be completed prior to applying for dual citizenship. IMO - OP Should consult PI family lawyer before applying for dual citizenship....

Exactly -

[Hank_ 9,174]

Ok, I can sense some bickering about this issue however I am very thankful about y'all feedbacks!

Yes, I am the one who initiated the divorce after I became a USC.

Another question: ~~ So any properties have to be solely in my name or it can be named under both?

Nope, no bickering here... just a few guys chewing the fat.... and having fun.

As for - You can put your husband's name on the property with you, no issue.

From my pov, we are just discussing - not bickering. Perhaps I have become jaded over the years & too thick skinned / skulled to recognize a bickerfest....hmmmm...have to give that some thought.

A foreign national spouse can be on the contract to purchase Philippine property. Cannot be on the Title of Ownership. In the event you pass b4 he does...he has a reasonable amount of time to sell property and collect proceeds. Otherwise the property will pass to Filipino heirs.

Under current conditions - Title of Ownership is in your name alone. (or any other Filipino citizen you might want to add to Title)

I was pretty sure I read the Title can have both names on it.