Illegal immigrants get legal mortages

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Well, I'm speaking from personal experience. I worked in a restaurant (Olive Garden) in a town where the manager was hard pressed to find legal employees for the kitchen. He still followed the steps required by law (the illegals present him with 2 forms of ID) and they are hired.

There are a number issues I can see here. Why are poor Americans not taking these jobs? What types of ID are required? Why is there no national system which can be used to check someone's identity? Why the heck don't Social Security Cards contain peoples pictures on them, much like a EAD..

I mean, with my last job in Australia I had to undergo a basic check which proved I was eligible to work in Australia. The contracting agency used my passport and verified it was actually me they where dealing with and that is was valid.

PS A EAD grade Social Security Card would also heavily reduce the cost of identity theft..

They do check the validity of those ID's submitted which tipped off the INS - it just takes time. So meanwhile, the restaurant manager is following the law and I'm sure he'd hire legal workers for his kitchen crew in a heartbeat, but his options are limited. The fact remains - there is a vaccuum for these types of jobs.

[meauxna 15]

Well, I'm speaking from personal experience. I worked in a restaurant (Olive Garden) in a town where the manager was hard pressed to find legal employees for the kitchen. He still followed the steps required by law (the illegals present him with 2 forms of ID) and they are hired.

What types of ID are required? Why is there no national system which can be used to check someone's identity? Why the heck don't Social Security Cards contain peoples pictures on them, much like a EAD..

The ID types are detailed on form I-9; it's worth a look. The bind that employers are put in is that if the documents appear to be genuine, they MUST be accepted. I'll bet it is a very high percentage of employers who don't know what a real EAD looks like anyway. Not that most illegals use an EAD for getting hired. A Social Security card and a Driver's License are enough.

Social Security numbers were intended only as a tax paying ID number. They have been co-opted by a lot of other businesses that want a unique identifier for people. They are no longer secure, and should not be an acceptable employment ID, in my opinion.

There is no National ID card because Americans have resisted that idea for a couple of hundred years.

[Heracles 417]

he ID types are detailed on form I-9; it's worth a look. The bind that employers are put in is that if the documents appear to be genuine, they MUST be accepted. I'll bet it is a very high percentage of employers who don't know what a real EAD looks like anyway. Not that most illegals use an EAD for getting hired. A Social Security card and a Driver's License are enough.

Social Security numbers were intended only as a tax paying ID number. They have been co-opted by a lot of other businesses that want a unique identifier for people. They are no longer secure, and should not be an acceptable employment ID, in my opinion.

There is no National ID card because Americans have resisted that idea for a couple of hundred years.

This is where the US government has to get with the program rather than beat around the bush. Terrorism and fraud is a huge problem for America. Take opening a bank account here for example. All one needs is a drivers license and a SS card. In Australia you need to pass a 100 point ID check.

An EAD style SS card would dramatically help reduce fraud and incidents of unlawful use. I remember a democrat senator proposing including the expiry date and visa type of any immigrant on a drivers licenses. This is another measure which should be adopted. Other measures could be to require people use a passport to verify their identity and work status.

All I see is a bunch of finger pointing rather than the government taking responsibility to resolve this problem.

Edited December 5, 2006 by Infidel

[one...two...tree 2,762]

he ID types are detailed on form I-9; it's worth a look. The bind that employers are put in is that if the documents appear to be genuine, they MUST be accepted. I'll bet it is a very high percentage of employers who don't know what a real EAD looks like anyway. Not that most illegals use an EAD for getting hired. A Social Security card and a Driver's License are enough.

Social Security numbers were intended only as a tax paying ID number. They have been co-opted by a lot of other businesses that want a unique identifier for people. They are no longer secure, and should not be an acceptable employment ID, in my opinion.

There is no National ID card because Americans have resisted that idea for a couple of hundred years.

This is where the US government has to get with the program rather than beat around the bush. Terrorism and fraud is a huge problem for America. Take opening a bank account here for example. All one needs is a drivers license and a SS card. In Australia you need to pass a 100 point ID check.

An EAD style SS card would dramatically help reduce fraud and incidents of unlawful use. I remember a democrat senator proposing including the expiry date and visa type of any immigrant on a drivers licenses. This is another measure which should be adopted. Other measures could be to require people use a passport to verify their identity and work status.

All I see is a bunch of finger pointing rather than the government taking responsibility to resolve this problem.

Here's a radical idea. How about extending business sponsored visas to lower wage jobs? If businesses can demonstrate that they cannot successfully find and hire legal citizens, let the federal gov't grant them block work visas with conditions. One of those conditions being that those employees the business hire, get a valid driver's license and social security card. Those who can remain gainfully employed under such conditions would then be qualified to apply for permanent legal status.

Edited December 5, 2006 by Steven_and_Jinky

[mawilson 2,133]

Take opening a bank account here for example. All one needs is a drivers license and a SS card.

I opened a bank account with just my passport (no SS card.)

[meauxna 15]

This is where the US government has to get with the program rather than beat around the bush. Terrorism and fraud is a huge problem for America. Take opening a bank account here for example. All one needs is a drivers license and a SS card. In Australia you need to pass a 100 point ID check.

An EAD style SS card would dramatically help reduce fraud and incidents of unlawful use. I remember a democrat senator proposing including the expiry date and visa type of any immigrant on a drivers licenses. This is another measure which should be adopted. Other measures could be to require people use a passport to verify their identity and work status.

All I see is a bunch of finger pointing rather than the government taking responsibility to resolve this problem.

They are getting with the program, sort of. Look up the Real ID Act and also see the regulations most States have regarding proving legal status to get a Driver's License. As for banking, the Patriot Act allegedly takes care of that, and you read stories here every day about how immigrant's can not open a bank account here (shop around, you can open one btw).

By the by, why shouldn't non-residents be able to bank in the US?

Make up a national ID card, if you think you can get the States to go along with it, but don't hijack the Social Security card. Most born-USCs couldn't put their hand easily on theirs--it is not a document we carry.

A lot of the attitude has to do with the type of gov't we set up here. As a Republic, the States are quite independant. ID is one of those things that's fallen under their purview.

[rebelheart 0]

This is where the US government has to get with the program rather than beat around the bush. Terrorism and fraud is a huge problem for America. Take opening a bank account here for example. All one needs is a drivers license and a SS card. In Australia you need to pass a 100 point ID check.

An EAD style SS card would dramatically help reduce fraud and incidents of unlawful use. I remember a democrat senator proposing including the expiry date and visa type of any immigrant on a drivers licenses. This is another measure which should be adopted. Other measures could be to require people use a passport to verify their identity and work status.

All I see is a bunch of finger pointing rather than the government taking responsibility to resolve this problem.

They are getting with the program, sort of. Look up the Real ID Act and also see the regulations most States have regarding proving legal status to get a Driver's License. As for banking, the Patriot Act allegedly takes care of that, and you read stories here every day about how immigrant's can not open a bank account here (shop around, you can open one btw).

By the by, why shouldn't non-residents be able to bank in the US?

Make up a national ID card, if you think you can get the States to go along with it, but don't hijack the Social Security card. Most born-USCs couldn't put their hand easily on theirs--it is not a document we carry.

A lot of the attitude has to do with the type of gov't we set up here. As a Republic, the States are quite independant. ID is one of those things that's fallen under their purview.

That's why i still keep bugging USCIS for my EAD card which never been issued to me yet though they said im approved of and now that i have my greencard at hand.

They told me to give them 45 days for me to know the update of my EAD card. I simply reason to them that eventhough i am a permanent resident already, im still wanting to have my EAD card which i paid and they said im approved of, I don't want my EAD card with my Bio Info's be arrived in other people's hand that maybe got interested. And they promised me, they will notify me about it, if i'm still having it by mail or making sure to me that EAD card never been issued until now.

[Dean iWait 0]

ITIN's are valid cards.. what's the problem with them? you can get a lot of stuff with ITIN's..

But you can't work with them.

http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,...87,00.html#work

"Are ITINs valid for work purposes?

No. ITINs are for federal income tax purposes only."

Yes, you can work or own your own business with an ITIN. It doesn't "authorize" you to work, it allows you to pay taxes. Your EAD authorizes you to work or own your own business. We do loans for foreign citizens at the bank I work for if they have an ITIN and are currently working or own their own business. P.S. Our loans are not backed by the federal government.

[peezey 0]

no im not saying that.. but poors aren't definitely Middle Class.. so there's no relationship between supporting illegal immigration and middle class.. because illegals don't take the middle class jobs..

yes they do. Employers will look to hire cheap employees. For example, a construction worker may be middle class. If they are being paid $15 an hour yet an illegal immigrant comes along and says I will do it for $3, the middle class American will obviously be fired. Which leads to another American / family being pushed into poverty. At the gain of the employer and the illegal Mexican.

they're all Mexican?

Well, I'm speaking from personal experience. I worked in a restaurant (Olive Garden) in a town where the manager was hard pressed to find legal employees for the kitchen. He still followed the steps required by law (the illegals present him with 2 forms of ID) and they are hired.

There are a number issues I can see here. Why are poor Americans not taking these jobs? What types of ID are required? Why is there no national system which can be used to check someone's identity? Why the heck don't Social Security Cards contain peoples pictures on them, much like a EAD..

I mean, with my last job in Australia I had to undergo a basic check which proved I was eligible to work in Australia. The contracting agency used my passport and verified it was actually me they where dealing with and that is was valid.

PS A EAD grade Social Security Card would also heavily reduce the cost of identity theft..

The same ID everyone has to present to their employer to fill out the I-9. You can buy it.

Well, I'm speaking from personal experience. I worked in a restaurant (Olive Garden) in a town where the manager was hard pressed to find legal employees for the kitchen. He still followed the steps required by law (the illegals present him with 2 forms of ID) and they are hired.

There are a number issues I can see here. Why are poor Americans not taking these jobs? What types of ID are required? Why is there no national system which can be used to check someone's identity? Why the heck don't Social Security Cards contain peoples pictures on them, much like a EAD..

I mean, with my last job in Australia I had to undergo a basic check which proved I was eligible to work in Australia. The contracting agency used my passport and verified it was actually me they where dealing with and that is was valid.

PS A EAD grade Social Security Card would also heavily reduce the cost of identity theft..

They do check the validity of those ID's submitted which tipped off the INS - it just takes time. So meanwhile, the restaurant manager is following the law and I'm sure he'd hire legal workers for his kitchen crew in a heartbeat, but his options are limited. The fact remains - there is a vaccuum for these types of jobs.

This happens all the time. You can hire someone with ID required on the I-9, but it can take 2-3 months before the report comes back that the SSN is invalid.

he ID types are detailed on form I-9; it's worth a look. The bind that employers are put in is that if the documents appear to be genuine, they MUST be accepted. I'll bet it is a very high percentage of employers who don't know what a real EAD looks like anyway. Not that most illegals use an EAD for getting hired. A Social Security card and a Driver's License are enough.

Social Security numbers were intended only as a tax paying ID number. They have been co-opted by a lot of other businesses that want a unique identifier for people. They are no longer secure, and should not be an acceptable employment ID, in my opinion.

There is no National ID card because Americans have resisted that idea for a couple of hundred years.

This is where the US government has to get with the program rather than beat around the bush. Terrorism and fraud is a huge problem for America. Take opening a bank account here for example. All one needs is a drivers license and a SS card. In Australia you need to pass a 100 point ID check.

a bunch of finger pointing rather than the government taking responsibility to resolve this problem.

You think none of these things are sold underground to get to 100 points? Come on.

[Heracles 417]

no im not saying that.. but poors aren't definitely Middle Class.. so there's no relationship between supporting

This is where the US government has to get with the program rather than beat around the bush. Terrorism and fraud is a huge problem for America. Take opening a bank account here for example. All one needs is a drivers license and a SS card. In Australia you need to pass a 100 point ID check.

a bunch of finger pointing rather than the government taking responsibility to resolve this problem.

You think none of these things are sold underground to get to 100 points? Come on.

It is extremely difficult to get around biometrics. Have a look at these new epassports used by Australia. I saw one the last time I was there. These passports are extremely advanced. Including holographic photos of the person and micro chips embedded in the passport. It is extremely difficult to override something which is stored in central databases.

Yet as mentioned by meauxna that the US is a state / county based country therefore these things are hard to initiate on a Federal level.. Whereas in Australia it is extremely difficult for an illegal immigrant to really do anything without proper ID and verification. And the privacy laws there are probably much more strict.

[meauxna 15]

This happens all the time. You can hire someone with ID required on the I-9, but it can take 2-3 months before the report comes back that the SSN is invalid.

Oh thanks for reminding me, because I meant to look that up and add it in.

There is a pilot SS verification program so that employers can get 'instant' verification, but seems you already know where that is going....

[Ban Hammer 13,335]

This happens all the time. You can hire someone with ID required on the I-9, but it can take 2-3 months before the report comes back that the SSN is invalid.

Oh thanks for reminding me, because I meant to look that up and add it in.

There is a pilot SS verification program so that employers can get 'instant' verification, but seems you already know where that is going....

yer paypers pleeze