Illegal immigrants get legal mortages

[pedroh 21]

since when middle class do the dishwashing jobs and the 'berry picking' jobs??

from my understanding, since the dawn of 'time' not exactly middle class people have been working in mcdonalds... or in a kitchen.. those jobs don't pay enough to be considered 'middle class'.. cmon

[Heracles 417]

since when middle class do the dishwashing jobs and the 'berry picking' jobs??

from my understanding, since the dawn of 'time' not exactly middle class people have been working in mcdonalds... or in a kitchen.. those jobs don't pay enough to be considered 'middle class'.. cmon

What about America's poor? Or are you saying screw them as long as Mexicans prosper, illegally that is..

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Gee, and all this time we're told they make $2/hr picking berries.

yeah, and doing the jobs americans don't want

Yeah, that's what we're told anyways while in reality they're the cause for many of those jobs having deteriorated in pay and conditions to the point where nobody here legally can afford to work them. They're fueling the race to the bottom and then there are so-called middle class advocates who actually cheer them on. Bottom line: You cannot be pro middle class and pro illegal immigrants and the expect to be taken seriously.

The issue of illegal immigration causes divides even among progressive views. It's too complex of an issue to simply say if you're pro-middle class then have to be against the illegal immigrants. It's way beyond a legal issue and as I've said before numerous times, it has more to do with our trade policies - and not just NAFTA, our trade with China has had a severe impact on the middle class.

[tom&tata 2]

since when middle class do the dishwashing jobs and the 'berry picking' jobs??

from my understanding, since the dawn of 'time' not exactly middle class people have been working in mcdonalds... or in a kitchen.. those jobs don't pay enough to be considered 'middle class'.. cmon

It's because people always claim that illegal only take the jobs that American would not touch. It might be like that in the beginning, but not anymore

[one...two...tree 2,762]

since when middle class do the dishwashing jobs and the 'berry picking' jobs??

from my understanding, since the dawn of 'time' not exactly middle class people have been working in mcdonalds... or in a kitchen.. those jobs don't pay enough to be considered 'middle class'.. cmon

What about America's poor? Or are you saying screw them as long as Mexicans prosper, illegally that is..

Ask yourself why a restaurant manager will hire people that he has a strong suspicion are here illegally for kitchen help and risk either losing his entire crew when INS makes a raid or getting into trouble with the law if he can easily just hire legal Americans.

[pedroh 21]

since when middle class do the dishwashing jobs and the 'berry picking' jobs??

from my understanding, since the dawn of 'time' not exactly middle class people have been working in mcdonalds... or in a kitchen.. those jobs don't pay enough to be considered 'middle class'.. cmon

What about America's poor? Or are you saying screw them as long as Mexicans prosper, illegally that is..

no im not saying that.. but poors aren't definitely Middle Class.. so there's no relationship between supporting illegal immigration and middle class.. because illegals don't take the middle class jobs..

[Heracles 417]

no im not saying that.. but poors aren't definitely Middle Class.. so there's no relationship between supporting illegal immigration and middle class.. because illegals don't take the middle class jobs..

yes they do. Employers will look to hire cheap employees. For example, a construction worker may be middle class. If they are being paid $15 an hour yet an illegal immigrant comes along and says I will do it for $3, the middle class American will obviously be fired. Which leads to another American / family being pushed into poverty. At the gain of the employer and the illegal Mexican.

[pedroh 21]

no im not saying that.. but poors aren't definitely Middle Class.. so there's no relationship between supporting illegal immigration and middle class.. because illegals don't take the middle class jobs..

yes they do. Employers will look to hire cheap employees. For example, a construction worker may be middle class. If they are being paid $15 an hour yet an illegal immigrant comes along and says I will do it for $3, the middle class American will obviously be fired. Which leads to another American / family being pushed into poverty. At the gain of the employer and the illegal Mexican.

true.. true.. can't deny that fact.. but hey, not all illegal immigrants are Mexicans.. and not all Mexicans are illegals..

*waiting for the fact from someone that out of 10 million illegals 99.9999999% are mexican*

[everandel 0]

I would think illegals don't get a loan one a single income. They do it collectively as a family. Everyone in the house must work to make the payment.

[Heracles 417]

Ask yourself why a restaurant manager will hire people that he has a strong suspicion are here illegally for kitchen help and risk either losing his entire crew when INS makes a raid or getting into trouble with the law if he can easily just hire legal Americans.

There is nothing large fines does not fix or at least curb. If the manager or store owner risked being fined up to $50,000, in personal fines, would they continue to hire illegal immigrants.

The second problem is that most of the large corporations are forced to play buy the rules, pay a fair wage and hire legal workers. Whereas medium to small businesses can hire whoever they please, with no real scrutiny.

What is interesting is why are the unions not kicking a screaming about this? I mean in Australia the unions crack down hard on anyone who hires illegal immigrants..

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

there aren't many unions left!

my husband, who is a legal immigrant, was denied a union job he really wanted because he does not yet have his green card (because apparently the FBI can't process a name check in 7 months). EAD would not suffice

[Heracles 417]

true.. true.. can't deny that fact.. but hey, not all illegal immigrants are Mexicans.. and not all Mexicans are illegals..

*waiting for the fact from someone that out of 10 million illegals 99.9999999% are mexican*

Of course illegal immigrants are not only Mexican. In all fairness Mexicans do work hard.

What I would like to see is a controlled guest worker program. With the possibility of leading to PR status for honest and hard working people.. This way they can also be paid the minimum wage. The guest worker visa could be run similar to a lottery system giving everyone a fair chance..

Edited December 5, 2006 by Infidel

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Ask yourself why a restaurant manager will hire people that he has a strong suspicion are here illegally for kitchen help and risk either losing his entire crew when INS makes a raid or getting into trouble with the law if he can easily just hire legal Americans.

There is nothing large fines does not fix or at least curb. If the manager or store owner risked being fined up to $50,000, in personal fines, would they continue to hire illegal immigrants.

The second problem is that most of the large corporations are forced to play buy the rules, pay a fair wage and hire legal workers. Whereas medium to small businesses can hire whoever they please, with no real scrutiny.

What is interesting is why are the unions not kicking a screaming about this? I mean in Australia the unions crack down hard on anyone who hires illegal immigrants..

Well, I'm speaking from personal experience. I worked in a restaurant (Olive Garden) in a town where the manager was hard pressed to find legal employees for the kitchen. He still followed the steps required by law (the illegals present him with 2 forms of ID) and they are hired. It takes about a month or two for the INS to catch up but they do and then the restaurant is raided. The whole kitchen crew wiped out. Now, do you suppose the manager, who had to file the paperwork and go through the hiring process only to lose his entire kitchen crew a couple of months later, would rather save himself the trouble by hiring legals?

There are several types of jobs that illegals fill a vaccuum. It's not just under the table, below minimum wage jobs. I'm all for going after employers who aren't paying fair wages or hiring undocumented workers over legal ones, but let's be realistic about the issue here. For one, those who are applying for a job - if they EVER believe they've been passed up because a company hired an illegal, they should report the business. Hell...I would.

Edited December 5, 2006 by Steven_and_Jinky

[Heracles 417]

Well, I'm speaking from personal experience. I worked in a restaurant (Olive Garden) in a town where the manager was hard pressed to find legal employees for the kitchen. He still followed the steps required by law (the illegals present him with 2 forms of ID) and they are hired.

There are a number issues I can see here. Why are poor Americans not taking these jobs? What types of ID are required? Why is there no national system which can be used to check someone's identity? Why the heck don't Social Security Cards contain peoples pictures on them, much like a EAD..

I mean, with my last job in Australia I had to undergo a basic check which proved I was eligible to work in Australia. The contracting agency used my passport and verified it was actually me they where dealing with and that is was valid.

PS A EAD grade Social Security Card would also heavily reduce the cost of identity theft..

[almaty 19]

the guy i mentioned earlier..has his own construction business and home repairs plus has a small food service, he rents in a bar....he works in st louis and has bought 2 houses from his income..has a tax id....american citizen wife..american college attending son.......he does good work and a fair price and has a good rep...