Americans Giving Up Passports Jump Sixfold as Tougher Rules Loom

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I am disappointed, you didn't finish your digging Gary. OK, I'll finish it for you. Ammunition has to be accounted for, quite true. Ammunition can only be bought on gun ranges, all ammunition is accounted for and any not used must be given up on leaving the range.

http://www.guncite.com/swissgun-kopel.html

Excellent article here. No one suggests we adopt Swiss law word for word but we can learn a lot from them. I am sure that you have learned some things today and will repeat them to others as "the Truth"

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I am disappointed, you didn't finish your digging Gary. OK, I'll finish it for you. Ammunition has to be accounted for, quite true. Ammunition can only be bought on gun ranges, all ammunition is accounted for and any not used must be given up on leaving the range.

Copied below From the above link

6 million people, about the population of the immediate Chicago area...and 3000 shooting ranges! 2 million guns. 600,000 legally owned machine guns, one legally owned machine gun for each 10 people. That would be like 30 MILLION machine guns in private hands in the USA.

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Today, enlisted men are issued M57 automatic assault rifles and officers are given pistol, Each reservist is issued 24 rounds of ammunition in sealed packs for emergency use. (Contrary to Handgun Control's claim that "all ammunition must be accounted for," the emergency ammunition is the only ammo that requires accounting.)

After discharge from service, the man is given a bolt rifle free from registration or obligation. Starting in the 1994, the government will give ex-reservists assault rifles. Officers carry pistols rather than rifles and are given their pistols the end of their service.

When the government adopts a new infantry rifle, it sells the old ones to the public.

Reservists are encouraged to buy military ammunition (7.5 and 5.6mm-5.56 mm in other countries-for rifles and 9 and 7.65 mm Luger for pistols, which is sold at cost by the government, for target practice Non-military ammunition for long-gun hunting and .22 Long Rifle (LR) ammo are not subsidised, but are subiect to no sales controls. Non-military non-hunting ammunition more powerful than .22 LR (such as .38 Spl.) is registered at the time of sale.

Swiss military ammo must be registered if bought at a private store, but need not be registered if bought at a range The nation's 3,000 shooting ranges sell the overwhelming majority of ammunition. Technically, ammunition bought at the range must be used at the range, but the rule is barely known and almost never obeyed.

The army sells a variety of machine guns, submachine guns, anti-tank weapons, anti-aircraft guns, howitzers and cannons. Purchasers of these weapons require an easily obtained cantonal license, and the weapons are registered, In a nation of six million people, there are at least two million guns, including 600,00 fully automatic assault rifles, half a million pistols, and numerous machine guns. Virtually every home has a gun.

Besides subsidised military surplus, the Swiss can buy other firearms easily too. While long guns require no special purchase procedures, handguns are sold only to those with a Waffenerwerbsschien (purchase certificate) issued by a cantonal authority. A certificate is issued to every applicant over 18 who is not a criminal or mentally infirm.

There are no restrictions on the carrying of long guns. About half the cantons have strict permit procedures for carrying handguns, and the other half have no rules at all There is no discernible difference in the crime rate between the cantons as a result of the different policies.

Thanks to a lawsuit brought by the Swiss gun lobby, semi-automatic rifles require no purchase permit and are not registered by the government. Thus, the only long guns registered by the government are full automatics. (Three cantons do require collectors of more than 10 guns to register.)

Gun sales from one individual to another are regulated in five cantons and completely uncontrolled in all the rest.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Libtards

That's where the comparison ends. Adopt the same rules they have to comply to and the 'anti-gun' movement in the US would cease to exist.

[Peikko 1,575]

Guncite?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Guncite?

You are free to post a copy of Swiss legislation from any source you have. If the gun laws I posted are inaccurate, then by all means, please correct me.

I await

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Guncite?

One word. One punctuation mark and an emoticon. That's what you are left with? You still want Swiss gun laws in the USA? I'm down for the government passing out 30 million machine guns and selling ammo for them at cost. You?

We need another letter response. For "I have nothing, you have trashed me and shown me to be uninformed so I will lay out a vague question regarding your source"

[himher 634]

Guncite?

That's what I thought. Anything else? No? Alrighty then.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

That's what I thought. Anything else? No? Alrighty then.

Here is another amazing little factoid for "the Truth". if the implementationof Swiss gun laws would "end the anti-gun debate" then why have NO anti-gun representatives ever proposed that? In 40+ years of my involvement in this issue, not ONE anti-gun Senator, Congressman, Organization has ever proposed such a thing.

"The Truth" clearly is a misnomer.

Jacque's "friends" that move to Switzerland to avoid guns are going to be disappointed. What will they do when Jacque tells them that 1 in 10 people in Switzerland have machine guns in their home and nearly every home has a gun?

And all of this has defelcted from the fact that of we want US citizens to remain so and if we want them to keep their money in the US where it can be taxed, then we should eliminate income tax and replace the current system with the FAIR TAX.

[Jacque67 7,328]

All my rich American friends have gladly abandonned their American passports . Move East my friend, move East.

[Karee 4,191]

All my rich American friends have gladly abandonned their American passports . Move East my friend, move East.

Just curious, what passport do they carry now?

Edited August 11, 2013 by Karee

[Jacque67 7,328]

Well my friends in Switzerland have had to abandon their US citizenship for legal and financial reasons. My friends in Monaco likewise ., The east European mafia however is an increasing problem it seems

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

All my rich American friends have gladly abandonned their American passports . Move East my friend, move East.

In Ukraine, Switzerland is called "the west"

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Well my friends in Switzerland have had to abandon their US citizenship for legal and financial reasons. My friends in Monaco likewise ., The east European mafia however is an increasing problem it seems

The question was, what passport do they have now? What country are they citizens of?

Example, Gerard DePardieu surrendered his French citizenship and obtained Russian citizenship by order of Vladmir Putin, and a Russian passport. What passport do your friends have?

Edited August 11, 2013 by Gary and Alla

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Well my friends in Switzerland have had to abandon their US citizenship for legal and financial reasons. My friends in Monaco likewise ., The east European mafia however is an increasing problem it seems

Your "Rich" friends "had to abandon" their US passports...for financial reasons? It was not their choice?

what did the "east European mafia" have to do with that? What, exactly, IS the "east European mafia"?

Are you trying to tell us you should have stayed with one line personal insults again?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Well my friends in Switzerland have had to abandon their US citizenship for legal and financial reasons. My friends in Monaco likewise ., The east European mafia however is an increasing problem it seems

Yesterday, in this thread, Post 2, the very first response to the OP...you said...

Yeah, many friends are giving up their American passports and are moving to Monaco or Switzerland where there are less guns and more freedom, as well as tax benefits, great food good looking women Etc.

Now you change the story. Which is true and which is a lie? we know there are not less guns in Switzerland and now it seems that "freedom" only has something to do with it if they are escaping something here.

Who gave them citizenship?

Edited August 11, 2013 by Gary and Alla