Americans Giving Up Passports Jump Sixfold as Tougher Rules Loom

[Peikko 1,575]

Well done, shooting ranges. Now, look up the rules for ammunition and shooting ranges and bingo, you got there, didn't take much work did it?

Once again, if you and your NRA chums want to hold up Switzerland as a gun owners paradise and want to emulate their rules and regulations, I am all for it. Go for it.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Obviously some people have no effin' clue what they speak about. Deosnt seem to stop them though

I would LOVE to see the US government issue licenses to allow people leaving the military to keep their M16s and M4 carbines. Wouldn;t you? How about subsidized ammo sales? Teaching young people to shoot in school?

Note that Swiss citizens are no longer required to account for ammunition as the government now subsidizes the sale of ammunition instead of issuing it to be kept at home.

[Peikko 1,575]

See above, you want to adopt the Swiss model? Great, that would suit me fine.

Oops, hehehe.

Edited August 10, 2013 by The Truth™

[himher 634]

Well done, shooting ranges. Now, look up the rules for ammunition and shooting ranges and bingo, you got there, didn't take much work did it?

Once again, if you and your NRA chums want to hold up Switzerland as a gun owners paradise and want to emulate their rules and regulations, I am all for it. Go for it.

The OP listed Switzerland as a utopia. Take it up with her.

I am fine with Texas

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Well done, shooting ranges. Now, look up the rules for ammunition and shooting ranges and bingo, you got there, didn't take much work did it?

Once again, if you and your NRA chums want to hold up Switzerland as a gun owners paradise and want to emulate their rules and regulations, I am all for it. Go for it.

In recent times a minority of political opposition has expressed a desire for tighter gun regulations.^[2] A referendum in February 2011 rejected stricter gun control.^[3]

A referendum meets a VOTE of Swiss citizens

Switzerland is a good model for the reason for the 2nd Amendment. No one need say we want exactly their laws, we don't. There law is a good basis..government issued firwearms and sibsidized ammunition sounds good, let's add it to our freedom! The point is that they have a high rate of firearms ownership and possession and that a large number of those firearms are also "assualt weapons". And they are ACTUAL assault weapons, not rifles that look like assault weapons.

Crime is low.

Saying they have "less guns" is stupid.

I will not be assigned arguments and will not accept positions you would like me to take.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

See above, you want to adopt the Swiss model? Great, that would suit me fine.

Oops, hehehe.

I say what I say. I did not say I want to adopt the "Swiss model"

A dumb@ss said Switzerland has less guns. At least in percentage of persons owning firearms that is not true. You said they have to account for every round of ammunition. That is not true. I showed that and now you morph that into me wanting to adopt somethin?. Where did that come from?

As usual you spout off irrelevent BS which has no basis in fact and try to defelct it into something else.

That's talent.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Yeah, many friends are giving up their American passports and are moving to Monaco or Switzerland where there are less guns and more freedom, as well as tax benefits, great food good looking women Etc.

This is what happens when you go beyond one line personal insults.

Why can't your friends cook great food at home and snag a HOT Ukrainian woman to cook it for them?

How many of your friends moved to Monaco or Switzerland?

[Jacque67 7,328]

See above, you want to adopt the Swiss model? Great, that would suit me fine.

Oops, hehehe.

Plus 1

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

There should be a website somewhere, in some cul-de-sac, of the internet where stupid people can post ignorant comments about guns/gun laws and get away with it

[Peikko 1,575]

I say what I say. I did not say I want to adopt the "Swiss model"

A dumb@ss said Switzerland has less guns. At least in percentage of persons owning firearms that is not true. You said they have to account for every round of ammunition. That is not true. I showed that and now you morph that into me wanting to adopt somethin?. Where did that come from?

As usual you spout off irrelevent BS which has no basis in fact and try to defelct it into something else.

That's talent.

I am disappointed, you didn't finish your digging Gary. OK, I'll finish it for you. Ammunition has to be accounted for, quite true. Ammunition can only be bought on gun ranges, all ammunition is accounted for and any not used must be given up on leaving the range.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I am disappointed, you didn't finish your digging Gary. OK, I'll finish it for you. Ammunition has to be accounted for, quite true. Ammunition can only be bought on gun ranges, all ammunition is accounted for and any not used must be given up on leaving the range.

Not correct again.

ONLY ammunition purchased at gun ranges has to be left at gun ranges. Ammunition purchased at normal stores is not covered by that. I provided the link

Please provide a link stating that the ONLY place you can buy ammunition is Switzerland is at a gun range and ammunition CANNOT be possessed at home. Should be easy

At any rate, I have never suggested that the USA adopt the Swiss laws, neither has the NRA. If we ever point out that Switzerland has high gun ownership rates and low crime, it is immeidately suggested that we want the exact laws here. Simply not true.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

http://www.guncite.com/swiss_gun_law.html

you won't so I will...Anyone with a license to posess firearms may purchase ammunition or component for reloading ammunition. There are provisions for carrying firearms.

ONLY ammunition sold at ranges and sporting events in Switzerland needs to be accounted for because they are exempted from being restricted to selling ammunition to persons with licenses only. This exact same situation exists in IL, MA and HI. These three states require residents to have "Firearms Owner ID" cards to buy firearms or ammunition with requirements almost identical to Switzerland's and ALL exempt sales at shooting ranges for ammo to be USED AT shooting ranges.

While Swtizerland exempts this use from the licensing requirements, it does require that the seller satisfy himself that the person would not be precluded from buying the ammo under any clause that prevent him from obtaining a license. Whatever that means.

Please choose another site to post uninformed opinions on gun control.

Chapter Three: Purchase of Ammunition and Ammunition Components

Article 15: Principle

1. Only persons satisfying the conditions for issuance of a weapon purchase permit can purchase ammunition and ammunition components.

2. Ammunition and ammunition components can be given to the purchaser only if, considering the circumstances, the giving person has the right to consider that none of the reasons for exclusion mentioned in Article 8 paragraph 2 conflict with the purchase.The person making the transfer must check the identity and age of the recipient on the basis of an official identity card.

Article 9: Purchase from private individual to private individual

1. People who buy a weapon or an essential weapon component from a private individual do not need a permit.

2. The weapon or the essential weapon component can be given to the purchaser only if, considering the circumstances, the person making the transfer has considered that none of the reasons for exclusion mentioned in Article 8 Paragraph 2 conflict with the purchase. The person making the transfer must check the identity and age of the recipient on the basis of an official identity card.

Article 10: Weapons that do not require purchase permits

1. People over 18 years of age do not need a permit to purchase:

a.

single shot and multi-barrelled shoulder weapons

, and copies of single-shot muzzleloading weapons. b.

repeating rifles,

as designated by the Federal Council, which usually are used for off-duty shooting and sport-shooting events, organized by shooting clubs officially recognized according to Military Law (

SR510.10

), and for hunting within the country.

2. In accordance with Letters a and b, a weapon may be transferred only when the person making the transfer can assume, that under the circumstances, the purchase does not conflict with any of the reasons for exclusion mentioned in Article 8 Paragraph 2. The transferrer must check the identity and the age of the recipient on the basis of an official identity card.

Article 19: Non-professional manufacturing and transformation

1. It is forbidden to manufacture weapons, essential weapon components, weapon accessories, ammunition and ammunition components or to transform them into forbidden weapons non-professionally (Article 5, Paragraph 1).

2. Cantons may authorize exceptions.

3. The reloading of ammunition intended for personal use is authorized.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I am disappointed, you didn't finish your digging Gary. OK, I'll finish it for you. Ammunition has to be accounted for, quite true. Ammunition can only be bought on gun ranges, all ammunition is accounted for and any not used must be given up on leaving the range.

Now you should be very happy.

[del-2-5-2014 1,339]

For those that cannot comment on the topic and can give only inaccurate information (except about there being better looking women in foreign countries...who knew?) on diverse other topics...

This was an attempt to return US dollars held offshore to the US by decreasing the offshore places that it could be hidden. Like ALL tax proposals attempted to be imposed on wealthy people who have choices, it does not work. We will lose not only the offshore holdings but the onshore taxes these people WERE paying. Increases in revenue will be nil. Other countries will be gettin gour wealthy people. Good plan. Worked well for Detroit. I bet a Democrat thought of it.

If they want to make money off these people and keep the $$$ here for reinvestment in the USA then they should implement the FAIR TAX and watch all the money come right back to the USA.

As for the women, we have the K-1 and can bring the women here.

If you want to live where there are less guns...then by all means, feel free to GTFO!!!

I assume this means Got To Foreign Office???

[himher 634]

I am disappointed, you didn't finish your digging Gary. OK, I'll finish it for you. Ammunition has to be accounted for, quite true. Ammunition can only be bought on gun ranges, all ammunition is accounted for and any not used must be given up on leaving the range.

The above is true regarding army issued ammunition. However, "Swiss military ammo must be registered if bought at a private store, but need not be registered if bought at a range. The nation's 3,000 shooting ranges sell the overwhelming majority of ammunition. Technically, ammunition bought at the range must be used at the range, but the rule is barely known and almost never obeyed."

I was waiting for that and left that part out on purpose. The reason: Every uninformed ** who discusses Switzerland and their gun laws references that non-existant "rule"

Do you have any other stunning "truths" to share with us Oh Uninformed One?

Edited August 10, 2013 by himher