Sundayyyy

[amal 4]

I know a great deal of Muslims and I don't recall a single revert telling me that they knew every detail about Islam when they reverted. I know for sure that I didn't. If I didn't have the help from some of the ladies I met here in VJ (before I met others in my area) I wouldn't have gotten the answers in the beginning that I needed. Some people have been known to convert/revert after seeing just 1 act of kindness from a Muslim. They don't know ANYTHING about the faith. So there may have been a bad judgement call on what was said but is that any reason to badger a person and rip them to bits? Why not just give a simple answer and let it be that? I like everybody in this forum and I hate to see such bickering going on.

hehe do I need to put you in your corners like I did last time?? Do I need to take away the sweets that we've been sharing DON'T MAKE ME LICK THEM ALL AGAIN

also...If there are any new Muslims out there that have questions (or even those of you just considering Islam) I am happy to help you find your answers in PM anytime.

amal

[doodlebug 3]

No one said your question was horrible, but why is Bosco's question about a haram boyfriend *gasp* so horrible?

You are absoulutly right, you didn't stoop to my level...you went alot lower.

I never said her question was horrible. I said that the way she was picking every word I said was not so hot.

Is it really possible to go lower than the place you three tend to stoop when you've found someone to attack? I think not swee pea. It's a shame too because alone you really seem like a genuinely nice person. I'm not a shrink but there must be a technical name for the abusive actions that come out in people when they form a gang against someone. I'll have to look it up. It's not the most attractive quality that I've seen in you for sure, and there have been some nice things that have popped out. It's a shame because it overshadows all of the good that you have in you.

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Hey Jenn...want to form our own duo?

[Jenn! 918]

Hey Jenn...want to form our own duo?

[mybackpages 0]

Hey Jenn...want to form our own duo?

Fabulous. Now we can run rampant through VJ as "the duo"

[peezey 0]

I know a great deal of Muslims and I don't recall a single revert telling me that they knew every detail about Islam when they reverted. I know for sure that I didn't. If I didn't have the help from some of the ladies I met here in VJ (before I met others in my area) I wouldn't have gotten the answers in the beginning that I needed. Some people have been known to convert/revert after seeing just 1 act of kindness from a Muslim. They don't know ANYTHING about the faith. So there may have been a bad judgement call on what was said but is that any reason to badger a person and rip them to bits? Why not just give a simple answer and let it be that? I like everybody in this forum and I hate to see such bickering going on.

hehe do I need to put you in your corners like I did last time?? Do I need to take away the sweets that we've been sharing DON'T MAKE ME LICK THEM ALL AGAIN

also...If there are any new Muslims out there that have questions (or even those of you just considering Islam) I am happy to help you find your answers in PM anytime.

amal

I haven't said this yet, but now I will. I dont' believe for a second Doodle doesn't know alcohol is haram, I fully believe she was trying to get a little feisty with Sarah, and originally I didn't see it as much more than jokey banter that has now gotten into deeper questions, which I actually don't see as a whole, are an issue to discuss.

If you know of anyone, even non-muslims, who don't know alcohol is haram in Islam, I'd like to know how they've gotten this far in life.

[Caladan 19]

I have a question:

When you convert to Islam, does one not have to, hmm, go through a process, or talk to a religious leader, or be in a group or something? I'm just curious; I'm Catholic, and if you want to be Catholic, you have several months of classes in the faith in order to learn about it.

How did you convert? Is it as simple as waking up one day and deciding to be Muslim? Or do you have to do anything?

[doodlebug 3]

OK, so I guess I'm blood thirsty, too, (**get out the garlic to fend me off**), because the part I keep coming back to is your assertion there are things that are clearly right/wrong black/white, and you don't see how one can create their own agreements with god, however, you seem to have done so re: extramarital relationships. This is where I question whether or not you a)understand Islam qur'anically and/or b ) are judging people who are making personal decisions just as you are, and had hoped you could explain more and not fight about who is sensitive or not.

No I don't see you as bloodthirsty at all. You've asked me questions with respect and I appreciate that.

No I'm not judging anyone. I don't know how I can explain this again. Yes I see black white in things that I have been shown as far as hadiths and all of that. Does that mean that I always do the right thing? No of course not. I'm human and I err. I see my chatting with Usama as haram. That's pretty cut and dry with me but I'm doing it because it's very difficult for me to stop something so emotional. I'm not creating an agreement with God here though...I know it's wrong. Does that make any sense to you?

What I understand about Islam is that Allah is the one and only God and that Muhammed, pbuh, is His messenger. I also understand that Jesus , pbuh, is not God. This took me years to figure out. Once I got to that point I was able to say my shahada, masha Allah alhumdullilah.

Should I have studied every hadith before that point? Of course not. If I know that the Quran is from Allah and that Muhammed is the final messenger why should I wait? Sure there are things that will be difficult for me, such as my struggle to wear hijaab, but I am trying my best. Nothing is easy. What is important, what I was told by many of my muslim friends was that the main thing for me to focus on is to read the Quran, to say my five prayers and to fast when I should fast. Beyond that it's a learning experience and I think if one were to look at every single solitary muslim they would find that the majority do not know each hadith that is written. If they did they'd all be scholars.

[Bosco 1]

No one said your question was horrible, but why is Bosco's question about a haram boyfriend *gasp* so horrible?

You are absoulutly right, you didn't stoop to my level...you went alot lower.

I never said her question was horrible. I said that the way she was picking every word I said was not so hot.

Is it really possible to go lower than the place you three tend to stoop when you've found someone to attack? I think not swee pea. It's a shame too because alone you really seem like a genuinely nice person. I'm not a shrink but there must be a technical name for the abusive actions that come out in people when they form a gang against someone. I'll have to look it up. It's not the most attractive quality that I've seen in you for sure, and there have been some nice things that have popped out. It's a shame because it overshadows all of the good that you have in you.

What abusive actions? Do you think people really believed you were trying to learn if alcohol was haram? No, it was clear you were trying to call Hicham out. You stated yourself it is black and white and have posted before about knowing Muslims don't drink. If you had just said "I am riding you Sarah as you ride me", this never would have developed into this. Instead you tried to say you were learning. Then you go on about how it is black and white and how doing something clearly haram would not sit right with you. Then you went on to drown in your own pool of hypocrisy when you called your own boyfriend haram.

Now we are abusers because it backfired. Guess what? The victim game isn't fooling anyone either.

[doodlebug 3]

I have a question:

When you convert to Islam, does one not have to, hmm, go through a process, or talk to a religious leader, or be in a group or something? I'm just curious; I'm Catholic, and if you want to be Catholic, you have several months of classes in the faith in order to learn about it.

How did you convert? Is it as simple as waking up one day and deciding to be Muslim? Or do you have to do anything?

No it's not like going through RCIA at all. You have to believe that there is only one God (no trinity) and that Muhammed, pbuh, is His final messenger. If you are Christian you also have to believe that Jesus, pbuh, is not God. One you truly believe this in your heart you can say the shahada which is basically just stating the above. Then you are muslim.

What abusive actions? Do you think people really believed you were trying to learn if alcohol was haram? No, it was clear you were trying to call Hicham out. You stated yourself it is black and white and have posted before about knowing Muslims don't drink. If you had just said "I am riding you Sarah as you ride me", this never would have developed into this. Instead you tried to say you were learning. Then you go on about how it is black and white and how doing something clearly haram would not sit right with you. Then you went on to drown in your own pool of hypocrisy when you called your own boyfriend haram.

Now we are abusers because it backfired. Guess what? The victim game isn't fooling anyone either.

You believe what you want to believe to justify your actions. That's cool. I know what my intentions are and I was wrong to think that I could have a normal conversation with Sarah without it turning into something like this. A few days ago she said it was boring in here so I guess now she has her fun. Shame that it means piling on someone whose intentions were not as you think, but you are the one who has to go to sleep with yourself at night. Good luck with that.

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[Caladan 19]

No it's not like going through RCIA at all. You have to believe that there is only one God (no trinity) and that Muhammed, pbuh, is His final messenger. If you are Christian you also have to believe that Jesus, pbuh, is not God. One you truly believe this in your heart you can say the shahada which is basically just stating the above. Then you are muslim.

So there's no list of rules to memorize. Maybe the dating thing is more cultural than religiously mandated? More than one way to skin a cat, as it were? I don't know a lot of Muslims, but the ones that I do know are all women who are doctors and don't wear hijab but still seem observant (with not eating pork, & ramadan.)

In any case, I don't think anyone's attacking you. You needled Sarah, she needled back, and for the love of little apples, if someone has a drinking problem, they don't order a damned coffee.

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[doodlebug 3]

In any case, I don't think anyone's attacking you. You needled Sarah, she needled back, and for the love of little apples, if someone has a drinking problem, they don't order a damned coffee.

Dunno what coffee has to do with it but thanks for your input. I disagree that I needled her. Asked a simple question is all. Normally when she starts things I tend to ignore the bullying but tonight I dont' feel like backin' down. Too many good people have been driven from this board for this very behaviour and quite frankly it is sickening to me.

[Bosco 1]

I have a question:

When you convert to Islam, does one not have to, hmm, go through a process, or talk to a religious leader, or be in a group or something? I'm just curious; I'm Catholic, and if you want to be Catholic, you have several months of classes in the faith in order to learn about it.

How did you convert? Is it as simple as waking up one day and deciding to be Muslim? Or do you have to do anything?

No it's not like going through RCIA at all. You have to believe that there is only one God (no trinity) and that Muhammed, pbuh, is His final messenger. If you are Christian you also have to believe that Jesus, pbuh, is not God. One you truly believe this in your heart you can say the shahada which is basically just stating the above. Then you are muslim.

What abusive actions? Do you think people really believed you were trying to learn if alcohol was haram? No, it was clear you were trying to call Hicham out. You stated yourself it is black and white and have posted before about knowing Muslims don't drink. If you had just said "I am riding you Sarah as you ride me", this never would have developed into this. Instead you tried to say you were learning. Then you go on about how it is black and white and how doing something clearly haram would not sit right with you. Then you went on to drown in your own pool of hypocrisy when you called your own boyfriend haram.

Now we are abusers because it backfired. Guess what? The victim game isn't fooling anyone either.

You believe what you want to believe to justify your actions. That's cool. I know what my intentions are and I was wrong to think that I could have a normal conversation with Sarah without it turning into something like this. A few days ago she said it was boring in here so I guess now she has her fun. Shame that it means piling on someone whose intentions were not as you think, but you are the one who has to go to sleep with yourself at night. Good luck with that.

I don't have to justify anything. You can read through this thread, just as anyone else can. Can you sleep at night claiming your question about alcohol and Hicham was only because "sometimes I'm confused on what is haram and what is halal"?

And, swee pea, I get to sleep with my husband at night

BTW - the judgmental thing doesn't suit you