Sundayyyy

[jordanianprincess 0]

Doodle let me sum it up for you. What you said basically sounded like this:

The sins that I commit are ok because it's me, but all other Muslims should not sin at all. You are holding everyone else to higher standard than yourself.

The most shocking thing I have read here is how you are trying to find a loophole to drink. This just leads me to believe that you have converted before being ready. Coverting is a big responsibility and not one to be taken lightly. As a matter of fact, I think once you are aware something is a sin and you keep doing it that its really bad.

I think you really need to figure just why you have converted. It's not just you either, there are several members that have converted that seem to be having a hard time with it now because of Christmas. You can't have it both ways. If you didn't convert because of your own beliefs then that is the biggest sin.

HOn you don't need to sum up what I mean. I know what I meant. I know exactly why I converted. Why do you feel the need to add to this pile? It seems that everytime Sarah attacks you just follow along.

Add to the pile, huh? If you don't want anyone to comment to your posts then I suggest you do everything in PM. Sarah is not attacking you. Why is it when someone disagrees with you and points out how hypocritical your statements are, that you take it as an attack?

Maybe you feel you were ready to convert to Islam, but you have showed otherwise here and in more ways than one. It's quite clear your knowledge about Islam is very limited. I can't see how anyone can make a informed decision about converting to a religion when they know very little about it. If you knew anything about Islam, you would know that drinking is a sin and there is no loopholes around it.

By the way, this has nothing to with you asking if Hicham drinks or not. This is about all the contradicting statements you made that followed.

Do you know everything there is about Catholicism? Very little? Hon you just judged me. congrats.

Actually I don't know much at all about Catholicism, maybe it's because I'm not Catholic. Nice try.

Coming to a conclusion after reading all your statements is not judging.

[doodlebug 3]

I am asking if you see a difference becauase you are the one who said it was wrong and right are black and white. You are the one who said it wouldn't sit right with you.

When you explained why you continue with your boyfriend, you said it was because you started before you were a Muslim, so it wasn't easy. You said "Giving up alcohol is an easy thing to obey. Giving up an entire relationship is not, unless you're totally cold hearted." However, your boyfriend was Muslim before, so it wasn't something he had to give up. He never had to start. The same thing with Hicham and alcohol.

Let me be clear, I am not labeling what is haram. I am using what you have labeled as haram as examples.

I see what is wrong and what is right insofar as what I have read in terms of hadiths and what people who I look up to tell me.

I don't do everything that is right though. If I did I'd be perfect and only Allah is perfect. I'm a sinner for sure as is everyone else. I do see that it's wrong though and that is the black and white part, if that makes sense.

Not everything that is right is easy. Narrow is the path.

Doodle let me sum it up for you. What you said basically sounded like this:

The sins that I commit are ok because it's me, but all other Muslims should not sin at all. You are holding everyone else to higher standard than yourself.

The most shocking thing I have read here is how you are trying to find a loophole to drink. This just leads me to believe that you have converted before being ready. Coverting is a big responsibility and not one to be taken lightly. As a matter of fact, I think once you are aware something is a sin and you keep doing it that its really bad.

I think you really need to figure just why you have converted. It's not just you either, there are several members that have converted that seem to be having a hard time with it now because of Christmas. You can't have it both ways. If you didn't convert because of your own beliefs then that is the biggest sin.

HOn you don't need to sum up what I mean. I know what I meant. I know exactly why I converted. Why do you feel the need to add to this pile? It seems that everytime Sarah attacks you just follow along.

Add to the pile, huh? If you don't want anyone to comment to your posts then I suggest you do everything in PM. Sarah is not attacking you. Why is it when someone disagrees with you and points out how hypocritical your statements are, that you take it as an attack?

Maybe you feel you were ready to convert to Islam, but you have showed otherwise here and in more ways than one. It's quite clear your knowledge about Islam is very limited. I can't see how anyone can make a informed decision about converting to a religion when they know very little about it. If you knew anything about Islam, you would know that drinking is a sin and there is no loopholes around it.

By the way, this has nothing to with you asking if Hicham drinks or not. This is about all the contradicting statements you made that followed.

Do you know everything there is about Catholicism? Very little? Hon you just judged me. congrats.

Actually I don't know much at all about Catholicism, maybe it's because I'm not Catholic. Nice try.

Coming to a conclusion after reading all your statements is not judging.

Sorry I thought I had read that you were an Orthodox Catholic in a different thread. Guess that was someone else.

Yes picking out every word someone says is picking on them. No ifs ands or buts about it. It's not quite clear that my knowledge is limited. You have no idea what I have studied and what I have not studied. Maybe I don't know every fartin' little hadith but I have done plenty of research on certain areas that are more important to my faith and quite frankly your comments have really been derogatory and darn right rude. I don't expect anything less from the trio though so keep up the good work!

[mybackpages 0]

I am asking if you see a difference becauase you are the one who said it was wrong and right are black and white. You are the one who said it wouldn't sit right with you.

When you explained why you continue with your boyfriend, you said it was because you started before you were a Muslim, so it wasn't easy. You said "Giving up alcohol is an easy thing to obey. Giving up an entire relationship is not, unless you're totally cold hearted." However, your boyfriend was Muslim before, so it wasn't something he had to give up. He never had to start. The same thing with Hicham and alcohol.

Let me be clear, I am not labeling what is haram. I am using what you have labeled as haram as examples.

I see what is wrong and what is right insofar as what I have read in terms of hadiths and what people who I look up to tell me.

I don't do everything that is right though. If I did I'd be perfect and only Allah is perfect. I'm a sinner for sure as is everyone else. I do see that it's wrong though and that is the black and white part, if that makes sense.

Not everything that is right is easy. Narrow is the path.

Being a sinner is such a Christian concept. It doesn't quite carry over into Islam. what you do or do not do as a Muslim is ultimately between you and God. Muslims are told to pray five times a day, so if you don't are you a sinner? Who knows? Only God can judge that.

[jordanianprincess 0]

I am asking if you see a difference becauase you are the one who said it was wrong and right are black and white. You are the one who said it wouldn't sit right with you.

When you explained why you continue with your boyfriend, you said it was because you started before you were a Muslim, so it wasn't easy. You said "Giving up alcohol is an easy thing to obey. Giving up an entire relationship is not, unless you're totally cold hearted." However, your boyfriend was Muslim before, so it wasn't something he had to give up. He never had to start. The same thing with Hicham and alcohol.

Let me be clear, I am not labeling what is haram. I am using what you have labeled as haram as examples.

I see what is wrong and what is right insofar as what I have read in terms of hadiths and what people who I look up to tell me.

I don't do everything that is right though. If I did I'd be perfect and only Allah is perfect. I'm a sinner for sure as is everyone else. I do see that it's wrong though and that is the black and white part, if that makes sense.

Not everything that is right is easy. Narrow is the path.

Doodle let me sum it up for you. What you said basically sounded like this:

The sins that I commit are ok because it's me, but all other Muslims should not sin at all. You are holding everyone else to higher standard than yourself.

The most shocking thing I have read here is how you are trying to find a loophole to drink. This just leads me to believe that you have converted before being ready. Coverting is a big responsibility and not one to be taken lightly. As a matter of fact, I think once you are aware something is a sin and you keep doing it that its really bad.

I think you really need to figure just why you have converted. It's not just you either, there are several members that have converted that seem to be having a hard time with it now because of Christmas. You can't have it both ways. If you didn't convert because of your own beliefs then that is the biggest sin.

HOn you don't need to sum up what I mean. I know what I meant. I know exactly why I converted. Why do you feel the need to add to this pile? It seems that everytime Sarah attacks you just follow along.

Add to the pile, huh? If you don't want anyone to comment to your posts then I suggest you do everything in PM. Sarah is not attacking you. Why is it when someone disagrees with you and points out how hypocritical your statements are, that you take it as an attack?

Maybe you feel you were ready to convert to Islam, but you have showed otherwise here and in more ways than one. It's quite clear your knowledge about Islam is very limited. I can't see how anyone can make a informed decision about converting to a religion when they know very little about it. If you knew anything about Islam, you would know that drinking is a sin and there is no loopholes around it.

By the way, this has nothing to with you asking if Hicham drinks or not. This is about all the contradicting statements you made that followed.

Do you know everything there is about Catholicism? Very little? Hon you just judged me. congrats.

Actually I don't know much at all about Catholicism, maybe it's because I'm not Catholic. Nice try.

Coming to a conclusion after reading all your statements is not judging.

Sorry I thought I had read that you were an Orthodox Catholic in a different thread. Guess that was someone else.

Yes picking out every word someone says is picking on them. No ifs ands or buts about it. It's not quite clear that my knowledge is limited. You have no idea what I have studied and what I have not studied. Maybe I don't know every fartin' little hadith but I have done plenty of research on certain areas that are more important to my faith and quite frankly your comments have really been derogatory and darn right rude. I don't expect anything less from the trio though so keep up the good work!

So lets see I guess in Islam it's ok to talk about having ####### sex with your boyfriend publically? It must also be ok to look for a loophole to start drinking again? Religion is not a joke. I think what is darn right rude and derogatory is treating religion like it is one. These things clearly show that your knowledge is limited as do all of your other questions about Islam that we see all week long.

Also, I believe it was you that adressed Sarah first. Oh yeah, can you please point out to me what I said that was derogatory? You have obviously bitten off more than you can chew.

[Bosco 1]

I don't expect anything less from the trio though so keep up the good work!

Move over peezey cause I just found my way into the trio, and there isn't room for four of us.

[jordanianprincess 0]

I don't expect anything less from the trio though so keep up the good work!

Move over peezey cause I just found my way into the trio, and there isn't room for four of us.

Apparently anyone that shares our opinion gets into the group.

[Jenn! 918]

[doodlebug 3]

So lets see I guess in Islam it's ok to talk about having ####### sex with your boyfriend publically? It must also be ok to look for a loophole to start drinking again? Religion is not a joke. I think what is darn right rude and derogatory is treating religion like it is one. These things clearly show that your knowledge is limited as do all of your other questions about Islam that we see all week long.

Also, I believe it was you that adressed Sarah first. Oh yeah, can you please point out to me what I said that was derogatory? You have obviously bitten off more than you can chew.

It's derogatory to insinuate that I was not ready to convert. That's common sense dear.

Yes I addressed Sarah first. I asked if her husband drinks. *gasp* If there is nothing wrong with his drinking why is that such a horrible question? It wasn't to start a fight but I guess you three are so blood thirsty anything will do right?

I have not bitten off more than I can chew dear, I just choose not to stoop to your level.

[peezey 0]

California residency is no longer a requirement.

[jordanianprincess 0]

So lets see I guess in Islam it's ok to talk about having ####### sex with your boyfriend publically? It must also be ok to look for a loophole to start drinking again? Religion is not a joke. I think what is darn right rude and derogatory is treating religion like it is one. These things clearly show that your knowledge is limited as do all of your other questions about Islam that we see all week long.

Also, I believe it was you that adressed Sarah first. Oh yeah, can you please point out to me what I said that was derogatory? You have obviously bitten off more than you can chew.

It's derogatory to insinuate that I was not ready to convert. That's common sense dear.

Yes I addressed Sarah first. I asked if her husband drinks. *gasp* If there is nothing wrong with his drinking why is that such a horrible question? It wasn't to start a fight but I guess you three are so blood thirsty anything will do right?

I have not bitten off more than I can chew dear, I just choose not to stoop to your level.

You have pretty much made it clear that you were not ready to convert by your statements, you did that on your own, no help from me.

No one said your question was horrible, but why is Bosco's question about a haram boyfriend *gasp* so horrible?

You are absoulutly right, you didn't stoop to my level...you went alot lower.

[mybackpages 0]

California residency is no longer a requirement.

Can I have honorary CA residency?

[Bosco 1]

California residency is no longer a requirement.

Can I have honorary CA residency?

are you trying to usurp my position in the trio?

[peezey 0]

So lets see I guess in Islam it's ok to talk about having ####### sex with your boyfriend publically? It must also be ok to look for a loophole to start drinking again? Religion is not a joke. I think what is darn right rude and derogatory is treating religion like it is one. These things clearly show that your knowledge is limited as do all of your other questions about Islam that we see all week long.

Also, I believe it was you that adressed Sarah first. Oh yeah, can you please point out to me what I said that was derogatory? You have obviously bitten off more than you can chew.

It's derogatory to insinuate that I was not ready to convert. That's common sense dear.

Yes I addressed Sarah first. I asked if her husband drinks. *gasp* If there is nothing wrong with his drinking why is that such a horrible question? It wasn't to start a fight but I guess you three are so blood thirsty anything will do right?

I have not bitten off more than I can chew dear, I just choose not to stoop to your level.

OK, so I guess I'm blood thirsty, too, (**get out the garlic to fend me off**), because the part I keep coming back to is your assertion there are things that are clearly right/wrong black/white, and you don't see how one can create their own agreements with god, however, you seem to have done so re: extramarital relationships. This is where I question whether or not you a)understand Islam qur'anically and/or b ) are judging people who are making personal decisions just as you are, and had hoped you could explain more and not fight about who is sensitive or not.

[Jenn! 918]

:lol:

[mybackpages 0]

California residency is no longer a requirement.

Can I have honorary CA residency?

are you trying to usurp my position in the trio?

well...can;t we make it a quartet? i'm feeling left out

Edited December 5, 2006 by mybackpages