Sundayyyy

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Doodle just because Bosco and I share the same opinions doesn't mean anyone is ganging up on you. I have repeatedy seen you post about alcohol, whether or not ####### sex is ok , and wearing hijab partly because your fiance wants you to. Are we not allowed to question anything you say?

You say you strive for perfection as a Muslim. I think that's great. But as a new convert do you think it's appropriate to be questioning the actions of another Muslim? I think you need to worry more about yourself and whether or not you have a "bad egg" on your hands.

I still think it's too funny that you asked if Hicham drinks. You opened this can of worms on yourself, sowwwwwwwwwie.

Nighty night peaches!

Sarah

i missed the answer to that part. was it ok or not?

[sarah and hicham 3]

Doodle just because Bosco and I share the same opinions doesn't mean anyone is ganging up on you. I have repeatedy seen you post about alcohol, whether or not ####### sex is ok , and wearing hijab partly because your fiance wants you to. Are we not allowed to question anything you say?

You say you strive for perfection as a Muslim. I think that's great. But as a new convert do you think it's appropriate to be questioning the actions of another Muslim? I think you need to worry more about yourself and whether or not you have a "bad egg" on your hands.

I still think it's too funny that you asked if Hicham drinks. You opened this can of worms on yourself, sowwwwwwwwwie.

Nighty night peaches!

Sarah

i missed the answer to that part. was it ok or not?

[doodlebug 3]

Doodle just because Bosco and I share the same opinions doesn't mean anyone is ganging up on you. I have repeatedy seen you post about alcohol, whether or not ####### sex is ok, and wearing hijab partly because your fiance wants you to. Are we not allowed to question anything you say?

You say you strive for perfection as a Muslim. I think that's great. But as a new convert do you think it's appropriate to be questioning the actions of another Muslim? I think you need to worry more about yourself and whether or not you have a "bad egg" on your hands.

I still think it's too funny that you asked if Hicham drinks. You opened this can of worms on yourself, sowwwwwwwwwie.

Nighty night peaches!

Sarah

Where did I judge Hicham for drinking?

Is his drinking a sore spot for you? Maybe you should think about why my asking if he drinks bothers you so much. Might wanna look into that sweetie

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Doodle just because Bosco and I share the same opinions doesn't mean anyone is ganging up on you. I have repeatedy seen you post about alcohol, whether or not ####### sex is ok , and wearing hijab partly because your fiance wants you to. Are we not allowed to question anything you say?

You say you strive for perfection as a Muslim. I think that's great. But as a new convert do you think it's appropriate to be questioning the actions of another Muslim? I think you need to worry more about yourself and whether or not you have a "bad egg" on your hands.

I still think it's too funny that you asked if Hicham drinks. You opened this can of worms on yourself, sowwwwwwwwwie.

Nighty night peaches!

Sarah

i missed the answer to that part. was it ok or not?

don't keep me in suspense!

[jordanianprincess 0]

Ok this is what I got so far out of this whole thing:

Some sins are ok.

[doodlebug 3]

and it is not your place to judge them and their relationship with god, nor is it their place to judge you for your choices.

I have never judged anyone. Where did I judge anyone? I simply stated that FOR ME, it is not ok to just do what I want. Judging others would be for me to say "they are wrong for doing what they want". Never did I say that.

Again, this segment started with you wanting to understand something, some of us explaining why there will be differences, and then you interjecting that our explanation doesn't sit right with you when things are "black and white" yet you then make choices inside your religion re: boyfriends. No one is judging you but trying to point out to you how it is there are, and always will be a different Islam for as many Muslims as there are on the planet.

Apparently I didn't explain the whole black and white thing adequately but I'm too tired to try now.

[jordanianprincess 0]

Doodle just because Bosco and I share the same opinions doesn't mean anyone is ganging up on you. I have repeatedy seen you post about alcohol, whether or not ####### sex is ok, and wearing hijab partly because your fiance wants you to. Are we not allowed to question anything you say?

You say you strive for perfection as a Muslim. I think that's great. But as a new convert do you think it's appropriate to be questioning the actions of another Muslim? I think you need to worry more about yourself and whether or not you have a "bad egg" on your hands.

I still think it's too funny that you asked if Hicham drinks. You opened this can of worms on yourself, sowwwwwwwwwie.

Nighty night peaches!

Sarah

Where did I judge Hicham for drinking?

Is his drinking a sore spot for you? Maybe you should think about why my asking if he drinks bothers you so much. Might wanna look into that sweetie

I think if his drinking was a sore spot, then they wouldn't be out at a pub together.

[doodlebug 3]

Your boyfriend has been Muslim all along right, but he was chatting with you and that is haram (again by your definition)? Is that very different than Sarah's husband drinking alcohol?

Actually yes, it's a bigger sin, but why are you comparing Sarah's husband's sin to my boyfriend's sin. I'm lost here.

This isn't about judgement, not by me anyway. I am a firm believer that people need to establish their own relationships with God, and define that relationship themselves. However, you brought black and white and questioned how people could do that and how you couldn't. And it is picking on you to point this out?

It is picking on me to pick out every freakin' word I said. For goodness sakes I asked if Sarah's husband drinks. Very simple question and no judgement involved. Apparently that's a sore subject with her and now all hell's broken loose. I won't bring up Sarah's husband's drinking anymore!!!! Promise!!!!! lol

I think if his drinking was a sore spot, then they wouldn't be out at a pub together.

I would have thought that too but I guess I hit a nerve.

[jordanianprincess 0]

and it is not your place to judge them and their relationship with god, nor is it their place to judge you for your choices.

I have never judged anyone. Where did I judge anyone? I simply stated that FOR ME, it is not ok to just do what I want. Judging others would be for me to say "they are wrong for doing what they want". Never did I say that.

Again, this segment started with you wanting to understand something, some of us explaining why there will be differences, and then you interjecting that our explanation doesn't sit right with you when things are "black and white" yet you then make choices inside your religion re: boyfriends. No one is judging you but trying to point out to you how it is there are, and always will be a different Islam for as many Muslims as there are on the planet.

Apparently I didn't explain the whole black and white thing adequately but I'm too tired to try now.

Doodle let me sum it up for you. What you said basically sounded like this:

The sins that I commit are ok because it's me, but all other Muslims should not sin at all. You are holding everyone else to higher standard than yourself.

The most shocking thing I have read here is how you are trying to find a loophole to drink. This just leads me to believe that you have converted before being ready. Coverting is a big responsibility and not one to be taken lightly. As a matter of fact, I think once you are aware something is a sin and you keep doing it that its really bad.

I think you really need to figure just why you have converted. It's not just you either, there are several members that have converted that seem to be having a hard time with it now because of Christmas. You can't have it both ways. If you didn't convert because of your own beliefs then that is the biggest sin.

[amal 4]

wow, just wow

[jordanianprincess 0]

I think if his drinking was a sore spot, then they wouldn't be out at a pub together.

I would have thought that too but I guess I hit a nerve.

I don't think you hit a nerve at all. I think its just the nature of your questions as Sarah said. I just find it rather odd that you have converted, call yourself a Muslim, and know very little about it.

[doodlebug 3]

Doodle just because Bosco and I share the same opinions doesn't mean anyone is ganging up on you. I have repeatedy seen you post about alcohol, whether or not ####### sex is ok, and wearing hijab partly because your fiance wants you to. Are we not allowed to question anything you say?

Of course not Sarah. It's a free country and I"d be disappointed in you if you didn't question every freakin' thing I say hon. It just wouldn't sit right with me if you let things go for the sake of peace. That's just not your style.

You say you strive for perfection as a Muslim. I think that's great. But as a new convert do you think it's appropriate to be questioning the actions of another Muslim?

When you say questioning the actions of another Muslim that implies, to me, that i'm judging them. I ask about people and what they do. It's called adult conversation.

You I think you need to worry more about yourself and whether or not you have a "bad egg" on your hands.

I'm fine, thanks for the concern. I am worried for you now though since you seem to be very tender about your husband's drinking. Good luck with that!

I still think it's too funny that you asked if Hicham drinks. You opened this can of worms on yourself, sowwwwwwwwwie.

Actually a simple yes or no answer would have sufficed so actually you are the one with the can of worms.

Doodle let me sum it up for you. What you said basically sounded like this:

The sins that I commit are ok because it's me, but all other Muslims should not sin at all. You are holding everyone else to higher standard than yourself.

The most shocking thing I have read here is how you are trying to find a loophole to drink. This just leads me to believe that you have converted before being ready. Coverting is a big responsibility and not one to be taken lightly. As a matter of fact, I think once you are aware something is a sin and you keep doing it that its really bad.

I think you really need to figure just why you have converted. It's not just you either, there are several members that have converted that seem to be having a hard time with it now because of Christmas. You can't have it both ways. If you didn't convert because of your own beliefs then that is the biggest sin.

HOn you don't need to sum up what I mean. I know what I meant. I know exactly why I converted. Why do you feel the need to add to this pile? It seems that everytime Sarah attacks you just follow along.

I think if his drinking was a sore spot, then they wouldn't be out at a pub together.

I would have thought that too but I guess I hit a nerve.

I don't think you hit a nerve at all. I think its just the nature of your questions as Sarah said. I just find it rather odd that you have converted, call yourself a Muslim, and know very little about it.

Do you know everything there is about Catholicism? Very little? Hon you just judged me. congrats.

[mybackpages 0]

Doodlebug,

I think the most important thing I have learn on my journey in Islam is that we make the simple complicated.

[~Jackie~ 30]

As a revert myself, I can attest that saying shahada does not fill ones head with all the knowledge of Islam. On the contrary, it is just the beginning of learning this beautiful religion. I applaud the new reverts and welcome them to pm me with questions.

Jackie

[Bosco 1]

Your boyfriend has been Muslim all along right, but he was chatting with you and that is haram (again by your definition)? Is that very different than Sarah's husband drinking alcohol?

Actually yes, it's a bigger sin, but why are you comparing Sarah's husband's sin to my boyfriend's sin. I'm lost here.

I am asking if you see a difference becauase you are the one who said it wrong and right are black and white. You are the one who said it wouldn't sit right with you.

When you explained why you continue with your boyfriend, you said it was because you started before you were a Muslim, so it wasn't easy. You said "Giving up alcohol is an easy thing to obey. Giving up an entire relationship is not, unless you're totally cold hearted." However, your boyfriend was Muslim before, so it wasn't something he had to give up. He never had to start. The same thing with Hicham and alcohol.

Let me be clear, I am not labeling what is haram. I am using what you have labeled as haram as examples.

Edited December 5, 2006 by Bosco