Sundayyyy

[sarah and hicham 3]

Hiiiii,

Hicham and I just got home and I wanted to say Happy Sunday!

Have a great day everyone!

Sarah and Hicham

Holy Moly, girl, what were you two up to?

Jackie, out of probably a dozen company holiday parties, I'd guess most ended in disaster of some sort for me. I honestly don't know what happens then suddenly someone has a meltdown, or someone drinks too much, or someone's fighting with their husband, or office fights come out.

We went to an English pub to watch a band and have a beer (or two).

Does Hicham drink?

What's it to you? Didn't you read my post?

My goodness Sarah, a wee bit testy are we? I was just curious since you mentioned he is Muslim and since I'm a pretty new revert sometimes I'm confused on what is haram and what is halal. Yes I read your post but it wasn't too clear if he actually imbibed.

Oh please, I think everyone knows about drinking alcohol and that it is haram. Like I said, I never portrayed Hicham as a perfect Muslim or one who is strict.

I'm sure your fiance can tell you everything you need to know about being a good Muslim to his standards though.

Also Doodle if you want to know if alcohol is halal or haram then why did you ask if Hicham drinks to find out?

[noura 0]

can this thread be put to rest now?

[doodlebug 3]

Also Doodle if you want to know if alcohol is halal or haram then why did you ask if Hicham drinks to find out?

As I said, Sarah, I wanted to know if there was a loophole since I miss my white wine. I don't know any practicing muslims that drink but then again I'm new and for all I knew it could perhaps be a more controversial issue such as whether to veil or not. Don't worry...I won't be asking you any more questions lest you snap at me again. Enough people have let me know the scoop on if there is leeway on it. Thanks hon...you're a peach.

[Bosco 1]

Also Doodle if you want to know if alcohol is halal or haram then why did you ask if Hicham drinks to find out?

As I said, Sarah, I wanted to know if there was a loophole since I miss my white wine. I don't know any practicing muslims that drink but then again I'm new and for all I knew it could perhaps be a more controversial issue such as whether to veil or not. Don't worry...I won't be asking you any more questions lest you snap at me again. Enough people have let me know the scoop on if there is leeway on it. Thanks hon...you're a peach.

Not sure how many Muslims you know, but I know a decent amount that "practice" and drink alcohol. I think "practice" is relative too. I personal think it is up to the individual to define whether or not they are practicing their faith.

ETA: Some of the Muslims that drink include those that are recognizable by name that you see on television and are considered by some to be spokespeople for reform.

Edited December 4, 2006 by Bosco

[peezey 0]

Also Doodle if you want to know if alcohol is halal or haram then why did you ask if Hicham drinks to find out?

As I said, Sarah, I wanted to know if there was a loophole since I miss my white wine. I don't know any practicing muslims that drink but then again I'm new and for all I knew it could perhaps be a more controversial issue such as whether to veil or not. Don't worry...I won't be asking you any more questions lest you snap at me again. Enough people have let me know the scoop on if there is leeway on it. Thanks hon...you're a peach.

Just like anything else, anywhere else, "muslim" is defined in as many ways as the number of muslims that exist in the world. If you want to drink wine, and you don't feel like that changes your relationship with god, that is your business and doesn't make you a bad or non-practicing Muslim. I think one of the most fantastic parts of Islam is that it is all about your personal relationship with god. It is your business how you define your faith, and how you figure that out with god. No one else can make you a better anything, no one else's opinions determine if you are a good muslim.

There are muslims who drink who would be horrified to hear someone refer to them as "non-religious" or "non-practicing." The same goes for lots of things....eating halal, praying, etc.

[doodlebug 3]

ok not to prolong the Sunday thread but I just don't get that at all. Maybe because I'm a black/white type of girl. If there's a hadith to prove that this or that is ok then I can see the grey area but this just do what you want thing doesn't sit right for me. Maybe it works for others but I wouldn't feel right.

I don't know many muslims actually. I know a few from this site and about twelve in real life. None of them drink alcohol, all wear hijaab and all eat only halal foods. I don't know any in real life that do this or that as long as they feel good with their God.

Be that as it may.....I've learned my lesson and will go elsewhere for my religious education. You'd a thunk I'd have learned that the first two times I was burnt on this site.

[sarah and hicham 3]

Also Doodle if you want to know if alcohol is halal or haram then why did you ask if Hicham drinks to find out?

As I said, Sarah, I wanted to know if there was a loophole since I miss my white wine. I don't know any practicing muslims that drink but then again I'm new and for all I knew it could perhaps be a more controversial issue such as whether to veil or not. Don't worry...I won't be asking you any more questions lest you snap at me again. Enough people have let me know the scoop on if there is leeway on it. Thanks hon...you're a peach.

I find some of your questions to be quite rediculous is all. If you wanted to know if there was a loophole I don't think the question "does hicham drink?" is really the approproate one. K thanks, you're a peach too.

[Bosco 1]

ok not to prolong the Sunday thread but I just don't get that at all. Maybe because I'm a black/white type of girl. If there's a hadith to prove that this or that is ok then I can see the grey area but this just do what you want thing doesn't sit right for me. Maybe it works for others but I wouldn't feel right.

I don't know many muslims actually. I know a few from this site and about twelve in real life. None of them drink alcohol, all wear hijaab and all eat only halal foods. I don't know any in real life that do this or that as long as they feel good with their God.

Be that as it may.....I've learned my lesson and will go elsewhere for my religious education. You'd a thunk I'd have learned that the first two times I was burnt on this site.

Everyone looks at it differently, but for some people, Islam (or any religion) is not a list of do's and don'ts, it is a relationship an individual develops with God, using the Qur'an and Sunnah are a framework for establishing and enhancing that relationship.

There will be times that relationship is stronger and times where it is weaker. Not everyone "connects" in the same way. Some may feel most pious because of a piece of fabric and some may not. I don't mean disrepect to hijab, but it certainly is not how all Muslims define themselves or others or measure the strength of their faith. Personally, I feel acts like charity will carry far greater weight than what is or is not on my head.

Additionally, not everyone interprets things the same. Some are getting their Islam from fiances, husbands and/or friends that were raised in Muslim countries that did not encourage questioning long established (and male derived) practices of Islam, and often this is a very Arab-centric interpretation. Some interpret the Qur'an and Sunnah with an understanding of the history of the time, and believe it can evolve, is meant to evolve with time. Just as the prohibition of alcohol started first as a discussion of how it can be harmful, evolved to not being intoxicated during prayer, and later became even stronger, I believe other things can be understood to evolve. I think abolishing slavery is a natural progression of the Qur'an/Sunnah.

I think very few of the Muslims on this board eat only halal/zabihah as generally interpreted.

[sarah and hicham 3]

I believe the term "boyfriend Islam" was used recently and I think it's rampant here.

[~Jackie~ 30]

I reverted to Islam months before meeting Mohammed. He has a hard time explaining things to me about our religion, so you could call my learning "internet islam".

Jackie

Hey with all this talk about peaches, I'm thinking to bake a peach pie want some?

[doodlebug 3]

I believe the term "boyfriend Islam" was used recently and I think it's rampant here.

I don't think it's "islam" to have a boyfriend. Dating is definitely frowned upo n.

[sarah and hicham 3]

I believe the term "boyfriend Islam" was used recently and I think it's rampant here.

I don't think it's "islam" to have a boyfriend. Dating is definitely frowned upo n.

haha I don't even know what that means... "I don't think it's 'Islam' to have a boyfriend"

Did you read about boyfriend Islam from szsz the other day? She explained what it means.

[doodlebug 3]

I believe the term "boyfriend Islam" was used recently and I think it's rampant here.

I don't think it's "islam" to have a boyfriend. Dating is definitely frowned upo n.

haha I don't even know what that means... "I don't think it's 'Islam' to have a boyfriend"

Did you read about boyfriend Islam from szsz the other day? She explained what it means.

I meant it is not permitted for a muslim to have a boyfriend. I thought it was pretty obvious but obviously not to all. No I didn't read what szsz wrote.

[sarah and hicham 3]

"Boyfriend Islam is believing whatever your Muslim boyfriend tells you about Islam without checking it out for yourself."

from szsz I believe this was discussed in the "muslim marriage tips" thread.

I just can't imagine meeting my Muslim internet boyfriend, becoming immediately engaged, converting to Islam during that perdiod then having him convince me to wear hijab.

I guess I just can't relate with some people here.

[Bosco 1]

I believe the term "boyfriend Islam" was used recently and I think it's rampant here.

I don't think it's "islam" to have a boyfriend. Dating is definitely frowned upo n.

haha I don't even know what that means... "I don't think it's 'Islam' to have a boyfriend"

Did you read about boyfriend Islam from szsz the other day? She explained what it means.

I meant it is not permitted for a muslim to have a boyfriend. I thought it was pretty obvious but obviously not to all. No I didn't read what szsz wrote.

What are the internet relationships? not boyfriends? or long-distance boyfriends?