Shocking: Black Teen Unemployment Rate 41.6%

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Damn the fishing is good today!!!!!!!!!!!!

Touche!

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Touche!

And the same ones fall for it day in and day out.

[GandD 5,966]

It's a shame, because when he drops that act, what he says has the ability to make sense and be accurate.

I don't know if any of you guys ever read this:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/220499-k-1-petition-information/?p=3354872

But it was an excellent post, prob one of the best. I remember reading it several times when we were going through the K-1. Anyway, its proof that Gary can be a very giving person to a community. I'm sure the information he freely shared helped MANY people understand some of the process better than they did before.

Thanks for that Gary. I and at least 18 others really appreciated it.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

And the same ones fall for it day in and day out.

The games that certain people play are obvious. Sometimes it's fun to join in.

[GandD 5,966]

And the same ones fall for it day in and day out.

Everyone is stupid.

[RGinWA 816]

Give them jobs? How about they go out and get jobs? The USSR used to "give" people jobs. They had a 0% unemployment rate. Maybe we should institute their economic policies? It did have zero unemployment after all, so it must be good.

Go into any depressed area and see how many jobs are there. I mean give them jobs by opening up business and manufacturing back in the US where we need jobs; not farm all our manufacturing to the lowest bidder overseas.

The fact is there are few jobs in these high crime areas and most employers won't hire felons unless they are white collar criminals, want a career as a dishwasher or a car washer.

[Karee 4,191]

Go into any depressed area and see how many jobs are there. I mean give them jobs by opening up business and manufacturing back in the US where we need jobs; not farm all our manufacturing to the lowest bidder overseas.

The fact is there are few jobs in these high crime areas and most employers won't hire felons unless they are white collar criminals, want a career as a dishwasher or a car washer.

It's a global economy now. No way around that. What company in their right mind would pay someone $15 an hour (with all the benefits and all the regulations now) for a job they can get someone to do for $4 a day in another country. A business' primary purpose is to make a profit. That's why they exist. They're not in it for charity.

[RGinWA 816]

It's a global economy now. No way around that. What company in their right mind would pay someone $15 an hour (with all the benefits and all the regulations now) for a job they can get someone to do for $4 a day in another country. A business' primary purpose is to make a profit. That's why they exist. They're not in it for charity.

Well then we'll continue to have high unemployment and high crime.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What I have suggested over and over and over is that people (of any race) receiving welfare benefits should be required to work and/or go to school 40 hours per week without penalty in benefits for a period of time (maybe 3 years? 5 years? TBD) so that while receiving help they can get the education and skills and references needed to obtain a good paying job and eliminate the need for welfare.

No, what you have suggested is that it isn't true that white job applicants with a criminal record are at least as likely as black applicants with a clean background and similar education and experience to be considered for a job. You suggested that the disparity is owed to blacks overall not having the same education accomplishments and work experience to offer as their white counterparts. That claim of yours is patently is false and I've included the reference that shows that it is - it's there again below.

What you've done is change the subject away from your demonstrated failure to comprehend some simple facts.

They're about as likely to hire an equally qualified black guy with a clean background as they are to hire a white convict. They're also more likely to call an applicant with a name that suggests the applicant is white than one where the name suggest the applicant is black. That type of institutional racism - which is very much alive - may have a lot to do with the high unemployment rates in that segment of the population.

You are distorting the information which is why you will not link to it. This is a widely quoted "statistic" by low information voters. You made the mistake of saying "equally qualified". The "statistics" quoted are overall comparisons of the population.

That's utter bullshite. I shouldn't be surprised. It came from you after all. Bullshite is all you ever bring to these forums.

Study: Black man and white felon – same chances for hire

Is racial discrimination a thing of the past?

Debates about the relevance of discrimination in today's society have been difficult to resolve, in part because of the challenges in identifying, measuring, and documenting its presence or absence in all but extreme cases. Discrimination is rarely something that can be observed explicitly.

To address these issues, I recently conducted a series of experiments investigating employment discrimination. In these experiments, which took place in Milwaukee and New York City, I hired young men to pose as job applicants, assigning them resumes with equal levels of education and experience, and sending them to apply for real entry-level job openings all over the city.

Team members also alternated presenting information about a fictitious criminal record (a drug felony), which they “fessed up to” on the application form. During nearly a year of fieldwork, teams of testers audited hundreds of employers, applying for a wide range of entry level jobs such as waiters, sales assistants, laborers, warehouse workers, couriers, and customer service representatives.

The results of these studies were startling. Among those with no criminal record, white applicants were more than twice as likely to receive a callback relative to equally qualified black applicants. Even more troubling, whites with a felony conviction fared just as well, if not better, than a black applicant with a clean background.

Funny that the racists around here cannot accept some simple facts.

Edited August 5, 2013 by Mr. Big Dog

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Who thinks that?

I did not say that show me where I said that

Give it a letter. It's quicker

[Penny Lane 8,159]

I did not say that show me where I said that

Give it a letter. It's quicker

If you don't have an answer to the question being asked, perhaps you shouldn't reply. That's quicker, too.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

If you don't have an answer to the question being asked, perhaps you shouldn't reply. That's quicker, too.

I did not respond

I never said that

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I don't know if any of you guys ever read this:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/220499-k-1-petition-information/?p=3354872

But it was an excellent post, prob one of the best. I remember reading it several times when we were going through the K-1. Anyway, its proof that Gary can be a very giving person to a community. I'm sure the information he freely shared helped MANY people understand some of the process better than they did before.

Thanks for that Gary. I and at least 18 others really appreciated it.

No problem, and that gentleman is still a good friend, It was the start of our lossely organized group of Amer/RUB couples group. I am told there is a Shashlik (BBQ) at our house for my Birthday in September. I still post helpful stuff every day, particularly in the Ukraine portal and RUB forum.

Anyone is welcome to view my profile and review the comments there of many I have helped. I don't take anything from Alla, who while she rarely posts here (not her thing at all) she works as an interpreter for immigrants, used to teach English (she is now a student and too tied up with that) and interprets even for interviews at USCIS. They had to bring an officer from another local office to do her citizenshp intervew because everyone here knew her personally. She has done dozens and dozens of translations for people

Its why I really don't care what someone in the P&R forum says about me. I am comfortable with myself and what I do, P&R is entertainment. (or whatever they try to rename the forum to, to appease racists and hoplophobes)

She also worked a long time with Senator Leahy to get new legislation drafted to make the whole vaccination fiasco better for immigrants and she exchanges photos with him (they are both avid amateur photographers) I do not like the new immigration bill, but if it passes, the amendment Alla worked on is in there...so we are told.

I like to put myself into a topic, use myself as the example. Just seems more explanatory. "What if I applied this situation to myself?" Study it from that angle and present it that way. I don't consider it baiting so much as a good way to start a topic and keep a conversation going.

What always astounds me is that some people feel they need to disagree with me because I say one thing or another. Makes no sense. If I agree with Danno, for example, I say so. Then I can go to the next thread and disagree with him. No problem. I'd probably enjoy going fishing with him even though we don't agree on everything.

No, what you have suggested is that it isn't true that white job applicants with a criminal record are at least as likely as black applicants with a clean background and similar education and experience to be considered for a job. You suggested that the disparity is owed to blacks overall not having the same education accomplishments and work experience to offer as their white counterparts. That claim of yours is patently is false and I've included the reference that shows that it is - it's there again below.

What you've done is change the subject away from your demonstrated failure to comprehend some simple facts.

Y'know, then there is this. <sigh>

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Gary, I think you're simply unaware of how you come across. Or you're aware and you play into it. Either or. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

It's a global economy now. No way around that. What company in their right mind would pay someone $15 an hour (with all the benefits and all the regulations now) for a job they can get someone to do for $4 a day in another country. A business' primary purpose is to make a profit. That's why they exist. They're not in it for charity.

No they are not

But if that were entirely true ALL manufacturers would have been gone a long time ago.

The US offers some benefits for that cost...highly educated workforce, logisitics 2nd to none, abundant resources and utiities. But in addition to high wages we sack manufacturers with high taxes. There is a problem when it is cheaper to send raw materials to China, make something, bring it back, pay import duites and STILL make more money.

The government needs to eliminate corporate taxesand amke the USA the biggest tax haven in the world. The increased production and employment will fund the government and everyone will have a job...maybe 2