I'm carrying a gun - Am I looking for trouble?

[Kev-N-Ann 45]

What gun do you guys carry?

Concealed would normally be S&W airweight 38+P.with crimson trace grips.

Open carry usually a Kimber, Depends on why, and where i'm going. Don't often OC unless it's to a sporting event, or an outing of some sort.

[slim 1,525]

You fly a Warthog?

I carry a Warthog. (Lite Hawg, to be more precise.)

I'd suggest it's a very wise idea to avoid places that you know are so threatening it's only safe if you carry a gun. Mind you, I can't think of anywhere off hand where that could be true either.

Strangely, it seems logical to me to rely on people who are trained to perform certain tasks than look to enthusiastic amateurs. Arresting people who have committed violent crimes being a top contender.

My buddy says, "I don't go to stupid places with stupid people to do stupid things...unless I absolutely have to." and that's his avoidance strategy. For him, stupid places isn't the Chinese Buffet by the freeway, it's the shopping mall that's posted as a Criminal Protection Zone. (No guns allowed.) "Why would I walk around somewhere that a criminal knows is full of money and people without guns? That's stupid." I have to agree with him.

You'd probably be interested to know that those signs don't deter him from carrying his gun anyway. "If it's concealed... uh, nobody can see it, can they?"

The whole idea behind being able to go to the Chinese Buffet (even if you feel better having your gun) is you shouldn't have to abstain from doing anything or going anywhere in America that you desire to go simply because there's an increased risk of being victimized there. We're Americans. We're not supposed to feel like there are places that are off limits. It's a free country. If we want to eat there, then dag nabbit, we should be able to.

If they were discriminating against people eating there based on their skin color many of you would be (pun intended) "up in arms" over the issue. But because they're discriminating based on victimization in a crime, your strategy is simply to avoid those places. It's an effective strategy... but it's highly hypocritical.

As for cops and their training... uh, how much training do you need to make the determination that someone's life is in danger? Isn't it pretty obvious? The legal standard for deadly force in all 57 states is one of objective reasonableness where someone must feel their life - or the lives of those around them - is in jeopardy. Are you really suggesting we should legislate some kind of training for that?

Perhaps you're talking marksmanship and firearms training? I'm all for that! Have you read the statistics on most police shootings? They miss the bad guy a whole lot more than they hit him - often hitting bystanders in the process. (The one up in NYC recently takes the cake. Way to go, Bloomy!) If our cops can't shoot, it's doubtful most "average" citizens can shoot. I'd love to change that. As a matter of fact, I donate over 500 hours a year volunteering to improve the marksmanship and firearms skills of Americans. I wish more people would do the same.

Marksmanship is our birthright. It's something we were born to do. We're in danger of losing it. We should all be active in preserving our heritage as a firearms culture. Great suggestion!

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I carry a Warthog. (Lite Hawg, to be more precise.)

My buddy says, "I don't go to stupid places with stupid people to do stupid things...unless I absolutely have to." and that's his avoidance strategy. For him, stupid places isn't the Chinese Buffet by the freeway, it's the shopping mall that's posted as a Criminal Protection Zone. (No guns allowed.) "Why would I walk around somewhere that a criminal knows is full of money and people without guns? That's stupid." I have to agree with him.

You'd probably be interested to know that those signs don't deter him from carrying his gun anyway. "If it's concealed... uh, nobody can see it, can they?"

The whole idea behind being able to go to the Chinese Buffet (even if you feel better having your gun) is you shouldn't have to abstain from doing anything or going anywhere in America that you desire to go simply because there's an increased risk of being victimized there. We're Americans. We're not supposed to feel like there are places that are off limits. It's a free country. If we want to eat there, then dag nabbit, we should be able to.

If they were discriminating against people eating there based on their skin color many of you would be (pun intended) "up in arms" over the issue. But because they're discriminating based on victimization in a crime, your strategy is simply to avoid those places. It's an effective strategy... but it's highly hypocritical.

As for cops and their training... uh, how much training do you need to make the determination that someone's life is in danger? Isn't it pretty obvious? The legal standard for deadly force in all 57 states is one of objective reasonableness where someone must feel their life - or the lives of those around them - is in jeopardy. Are you really suggesting we should legislate some kind of training for that?

Perhaps you're talking marksmanship and firearms training? I'm all for that! Have you read the statistics on most police shootings? They miss the bad guy a whole lot more than they hit him - often hitting bystanders in the process. (The one up in NYC recently takes the cake. Way to go, Bloomy!) If our cops can't shoot, it's doubtful most "average" citizens can shoot. I'd love to change that. As a matter of fact, I donate over 500 hours a year volunteering to improve the marksmanship and firearms skills of Americans. I wish more people would do the same.

Marksmanship is our birthright. It's something we were born to do. We're in danger of losing it. We should all be active in preserving our heritage as a firearms culture. Great suggestion!

Good post..Odd the same people who tell us we are paranoid nuts and tell us they refuse to live in fear, and mock us for protecting our families with guns in the house., same crowd calls me names for carrying my family to a Chinese buffet next to 4 hotels and a McDonald's.

wonder who really lives in fear.

These people talk out both sides of their mouth and don't make sense.to me

[Darnell 8,478]

I think it's recent immigrants, making the slime in the pot, but you keep responding about it, alas.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

I think it's recent immigrants, making the slime in the pot, but you keep responding about it, alas.

Darnell..Love ya Bro

But i ran that thru Google translate

It came up

[Karee 4,190]

The legal standard for deadly force in all 57 states is one of objective reasonableness where someone must feel their life -

[Darnell 8,478]

Would you agree - tis rare for anyone who served in the military, to be talking bout guns from both sides of one's mouth?

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Would you agree - tis rare for anyone who served in the military, to be talking bout guns from both sides of one's mouth?

Yes but the engineer corps was always...well different. They had Infantry envy

[Peikko 1,575]

I carry a Warthog. (Lite Hawg, to be more precise.)

My buddy says, "I don't go to stupid places with stupid people to do stupid things...unless I absolutely have to." and that's his avoidance strategy. For him, stupid places isn't the Chinese Buffet by the freeway, it's the shopping mall that's posted as a Criminal Protection Zone. (No guns allowed.) "Why would I walk around somewhere that a criminal knows is full of money and people without guns? That's stupid." I have to agree with him.

You'd probably be interested to know that those signs don't deter him from carrying his gun anyway. "If it's concealed... uh, nobody can see it, can they?"

The whole idea behind being able to go to the Chinese Buffet (even if you feel better having your gun) is you shouldn't have to abstain from doing anything or going anywhere in America that you desire to go simply because there's an increased risk of being victimized there. We're Americans. We're not supposed to feel like there are places that are off limits. It's a free country. If we want to eat there, then dag nabbit, we should be able to.

If they were discriminating against people eating there based on their skin color many of you would be (pun intended) "up in arms" over the issue. But because they're discriminating based on victimization in a crime, your strategy is simply to avoid those places. It's an effective strategy... but it's highly hypocritical.

As for cops and their training... uh, how much training do you need to make the determination that someone's life is in danger? Isn't it pretty obvious? The legal standard for deadly force in all 57 states is one of objective reasonableness where someone must feel their life - or the lives of those around them - is in jeopardy. Are you really suggesting we should legislate some kind of training for that?

Perhaps you're talking marksmanship and firearms training? I'm all for that! Have you read the statistics on most police shootings? They miss the bad guy a whole lot more than they hit him - often hitting bystanders in the process. (The one up in NYC recently takes the cake. Way to go, Bloomy!) If our cops can't shoot, it's doubtful most "average" citizens can shoot. I'd love to change that. As a matter of fact, I donate over 500 hours a year volunteering to improve the marksmanship and firearms skills of Americans. I wish more people would do the same.

Marksmanship is our birthright. It's something we were born to do. We're in danger of losing it. We should all be active in preserving our heritage as a firearms culture. Great suggestion!

I don't know anywhere that is so unsafe to go to that I would feel the need to carry a gun, not in the US, not in the UK, even in Belfast in the 80's I didn't feel the need to carry a gun to be safe. IF you genuinely feel that you are going to enter an area that is only sensible to enter carrying a gun then it's not somewhere you would want to spend your time socially. You keep making the same argument, it's a good idea to carry a gun for safety. It's simply not true, unless you are properly trained you are just kidding yourself and there is a good chance you will contribute to violence, not prevent it. I am sorry this doesn't seem self evident to you but there you go, it's either a learned fear or you are by nature a timid person but by all logical measures carrying a gun for safety in an urban setting is a nonsense, unless you live in a war zone. We don't.

[slim 1,525]

Yes but the engineer corps was always...well different. They had Infantry envy

Nobody envies the infantry!

[Peikko 1,575]

I have no idea what you are trying to say with your 'marksmanship is our birthright' stuff. Most people don't want to have gun practice slotted into their schedule, and why should they want it? If you do enjoy shooting guns, that's fine, go off to the firing range and have fun, but to say that everyone should be interested is just bizarre. In modern day America shooting guns is a hobby, one of many.

[GandD 5,966]

That's what I thought but I'm not a military guy so I didn't say anything

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Hey Slim, off topic question, has Matt been around on the RUB forum? He was the guy with the Hulk Hogan flexing avatar. I know he changed his name from Matt to something else, but I forget what. I haven't seen him post for quite a while.

[GandD 5,966]

Spooks, I like that you keep up with folks.

[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Nobody envies the infantry!

Ahh but we had all the fun and got all the chicks

Not really but they told us that

I went thru basic infantry school with some guys that could not have held a job in the market place..ER