I'm carrying a gun - Am I looking for trouble?

[ready4ONE 5,400]

I know there are over 400,000 violent crimes committed per year. I also know that there are nowhere near 400,000 people shot or killed by their own guns. You don't want to discuss the issue seriously, I used your logic on the opposite side and you sit here and refute it. You said the chances of being in a situation where a gun would be useful are miniscule. There are hundreds of thousands of violent crime. How many people are shot with their own gun? I haven't seen anything posted here except an article from a Minnesota newspaper and some two paragraph statement posted by Bill, yet you scream overwhelming evidence. Show me. If you think the benefit is minimal, then it's clear the risk is even less.

I love what you have done here. There are hundreds of thousands of violent crimes which are conveniently lumped together with no mention of how many of them were made possible by someone having a particularly fleeting moment of extreme anger combined with quick and easy access to a gun. Pure genius and very convincing!

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I love what you have done here. There are hundreds of thousands of violent crimes which are conveniently lumped together with no mention of how many of them were made possible by someone having a particularly fleeting moment of extreme anger combined with quick and easy access to a gun. Pure genius and very convincing!

Feel free to post the breakdown. I'd love to see how many crimes were deterred due to gun ownership vs how many gun owners had their own weapons used against them or a family member. Since one member has stated that the 400,000 number is insignificant overall, then the number injured by their own guns must be even less so. Using her logic, what I just said makes perfect sense. It can't be significant for one and not for the other.

[Peikko 1,575]

It's pure genius is what it is. The NRA and its devotees should be congratulated.

Edited August 4, 2013 by The Truth™

[spookyturtle 9,466]

It's pure genius is what it is. The NRA and its devotees should be congratulated.

The NRA has nothing to do with it.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

The NRA has nothing to do with it.

Of course not.

http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen.aspx

[pddp 240]

Gun violence is a US public health problem:

http://scienceblogs.com/thepumphandle/2012/07/23/gun-violence-is-a-u-s-public-health-problem/

Shame on the pro-gun lobby here. Based on your so-called arguments, you seem to be precisely the type of people that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a deadly weapon. How is anyone supposed to feel safe knowing there are tons of you running around with apparently no judgment and zero logical reasoning skills- just a mad belief that every situation can be solved by pointing a gun at it? YOU ARE THE PUBLIC HEALTH PROBLEM! Add more guns to the equation and those numbers get worse. If you don't get that, then ironically you're not fit enough in the head to carry a gun.

[Karee 4,191]

Gun violence is a US public health problem:

http://scienceblogs.com/thepumphandle/2012/07/23/gun-violence-is-a-u-s-public-health-problem/

Shame on the pro-gun lobby here. Based on your so-called arguments, you seem to be precisely the type of people that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a deadly weapon. How is anyone supposed to feel safe knowing there are tons of you running around with apparently no judgment and zero logical reasoning skills- just a mad belief that every situation can be solved by pointing a gun at it? YOU ARE THE PUBLIC HEALTH PROBLEM! Add more guns to the equation and those numbers get worse. If you don't get that, then ironically you're not fit enough in the head to carry a gun.

There's lots of people that shouldn't have a gun. Namely criminals. Unfortunately, they have them. Alot of them. I doubt they are planning on turning them in willingly any time soon. I'd agree that if we could start again from the beginning, we should have firearm restrictions. There's no good reason that I can think of to have one gun for every member of the population. Can't un-ring that bell though.

[codie 7]

Personal choice i guess ? for me i feel safer walking in a european city than i do in Baltimore,washington or any city ive been in in the US,in fact i DONT walk after dark in the US. And because of that feeling of threat in the US i sometimes wonder if maybe..maybe a gun in the home isnt such a bad idea ??? Fact is that once guns become prolific in a society then its near impossible to get rid of them,a bit like cigarettes and drugs,maybe banning handguns would be good,but keep the shotguns and rifles

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Personal choice i guess ? for me i feel safer walking in a european city than i do in Baltimore,washington or any city ive been in in the US,in fact i DONT walk after dark in the US. And because of that feeling of threat in the US i sometimes wonder if maybe..maybe a gun in the home isnt such a bad idea ??? Fact is that once guns become prolific in a society then its near impossible to get rid of them,a bit like cigarettes and drugs,maybe banning handguns would be good,but keep the shotguns and rifles

Less than half of American households own firearms., and that percentage is going down. The ownership of firearms is increasingly being concentrated into an even smaller percentage of "collectors". Once those are identified, the majority of firearms could be quickly confiscated. While do you think the NRA-ILA has been spending so much effort to resist the logging of all firearm transfers in the USA, especially sales between private parties, family members, and non-FFL dealers (gun shows)?

Edited August 5, 2013 by The Patriot

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

It is not background checks that worry gun nutters, it that a record of every sale would be made with the Federal government. They want the criminal enterprise to continue, and they don't want a paper trail leading back to them.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Of course not.

http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen.aspx

It has nothing to do with my opinion. I actually formed my views on guns over the course of a lifetime and I was fortunate enough to have a father and a few other family members teach me the right way.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

You didn't read that article from 'a Minnesota newspaper', and that's fine, you do not have to. You want to believe the feel good emotional idea promoted by the NRA so nothing I can show you will change your mind. Unless I could show you that more than 400,000 people are killed annually by their own guns, there's nothing to discuss according to you. You are right, there isn't. You have clearly demonstrated, and thanks for that by the way, that you have no clue how to assess the risk/benefit of having guns in the home for people who have no other interest in owning a gun than for self defense. Good job.

How about I'm a gun owner and don't pay attention to the NRA and think all by myself? I'm simply using your logic. You can't have it both ways. If it's true for your point of view, then it's true when I use it to support my point of view. 400,000 is either significant or insignificant, not just when it supports your viewpoint. And you are correct, you cannot show me how many people deterred a crime with their gun vs the number who were injured by the same. So that really ends your argument, you are speculating.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

How about I'm a gun owner and don't pay attention to the NRA and think all by myself?

Don't buy it. You sound just like Gary, and Gary is the NRA-ILA.

Edited August 5, 2013 by The Patriot

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Don't buy it. You sound just like Gary, and Gary is the NRA-ILA.

How about I'm not even a member?

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Gun violence is a US public health problem:

http://scienceblogs.com/thepumphandle/2012/07/23/gun-violence-is-a-u-s-public-health-problem/

Shame on the pro-gun lobby here. Based on your so-called arguments, you seem to be precisely the type of people that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a deadly weapon. How is anyone supposed to feel safe knowing there are tons of you running around with apparently no judgment and zero logical reasoning skills- just a mad belief that every situation can be solved by pointing a gun at it? YOU ARE THE PUBLIC HEALTH PROBLEM! Add more guns to the equation and those numbers get worse. If you don't get that, then ironically you're not fit enough in the head to carry a gun.

You sound like a complete aѕѕhole judging people you don't know. Yesterday you accused me of being pro rape and didn't have the balls to respond when I called you on it. You know nothing about guns, me or anyone else on this forum.