Guns from out-of-state make up the grand majority of city crimes

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Coz you are not able to understand a simple concept that reg a weapon should not be required, govt does not need to know that detail of a law abbiding citizen.

There is no laws broken and no prob cause and govt should not be having this information.

Were you following the case where govt was tracking AP reporter? Its the same thing govt should not be able to do such things without prob cause.

There is a background check and if you cannot understand that than its too bad.

"We have examined this claim before at PolitiFact, when New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said in July 2012, "There's a loophole where you can sell guns without a background check … 40 percent of guns are sold that way" at gun shows and over the Internet. At the time we rated the claim Mostly True. But since the Newtown, Conn., school shooting, we’ve heard the statistic repeated again and again, plus seen criticism of its use. So we’ve decided to take another look. We have since re-rated the Bloomberg fact-check to Half True."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jan/30/kirsten-gillibrand/gillibrand-says-40-percent-guns-sold-today-escape-/

Most dems talking about this are using 20 yr old data which, during the survey on some of the questions the judgment was made by the interviwer if it was gun was purchased thru dealer or not... thats another flaw with the data.

Even in the gun shows most individual when doing individual sales would ask to see the CCW of the purchaser.... there will always be some rouge, you cannot argue about that.

There were 50K cases that feds knew where individual tried to make a purchase were declined by delear and yet handful of those were investigated by feds.

What are you hiding? Me thinks the lady doth protest too much!

[Karee 4,191]

I couldn't adopt a pet without a background check.

You have to go through a background check to adopt a pet? #######? What are they looking for? Seems odd they would do that, when the alternative is the gas chamber for Tiger.

Edited August 2, 2013 by Karee

[Harsh_77 718]

I don't break any laws and I have to register my pets and pay an annual fee for renewal. I couldn't adopt a pet without a background check.

I don't break any laws, have never even received a ticket, and I have to pay to get my car registered. To operate my car, I needed to take a proficiency test, pay for a license, and continue to pay for the renewal of that license.

Neither of them is your right.

To check your background before they let you adopt is pet is pvt policy of the society from where you are adopting it is not a state of federal.

Would you be ok if tomm they say we need a law you need to register what your religion and what you practice must be declared and oh can only practice the religion that govt says is ok to practice.

Would you be ok if govt came out and told you, everything you say would be monitored and they would filter it?

[Penny Lane 8,159]

You have to go through a background check to adopt a pet? #######? What are they looking for? Seems odd they would do that, when the alternative is the gas chamber for Tiger.

I also had to include references. And they called each and every one.

Neither of them is your right.

To check your background before they let you adopt is pet is pvt policy of the society from where you are adopting it is not a state of federal.

Would you be ok if tomm they say we need a law you need to register what your religion and what you practice must be declared and oh can only practice the religion that govt says is ok to practice.

Would you be ok if govt came out and told you, everything you say would be monitored and they would filter it?

So, again, because it's in the constitution, the guns will get a free pass.

[Karee 4,191]

I also had to include references. And they called each and every one.

So, again, because it's in the constitution, the guns will get a free pass.

Here's a reference:

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Awwwww kitty.

[Teddy B 17,252]

You have to go through a background check to adopt a pet? #######? What are they looking for? Seems odd they would do that, when the alternative is the gas chamber for Tiger.

I also had to include references. And they called each and every one.

So, again, because it's in the constitution, the guns will get a free pass.

When I adopted my Shepherd 6 years ago, not only did I have to provide references, but they actually sent someone out to my house to interview me and make sure the house was suitable for a dog of that size.

[Protocol417 161]

You have to go through a background check to adopt a pet? #######? What are they looking for? Seems odd they would do that, when the alternative is the gas chamber for Tiger.

To be fair, the ones that have such strict rules are usually no-kill shelters and rescues, who are really paranoid about who they adopt to because they want to make sure the animal will never go "back in the system". So the alternative is just a bit more time in a cage or foster home. The ones that will put the animals to sleep if they haven't gone out in a certain time typically aren't nearly as picky.

That said... wow. I've seen some strict rules in my time but never a background check. I wonder how they even get the authority to perform one.

Edit:

When I adopted my Shepherd 6 years ago, not only did I have to provide references, but they actually sent someone out to my house to interview me and make sure the house was suitable for a dog of that size.

Ah, that makes more sense. I worked with cats, so they're less concerned about that sort of thing.

Edited August 2, 2013 by Protocol417

[Teddy B 17,252]

To be fair, the ones that have such strict rules are usually no-kill shelters and rescues, who are really paranoid about who they adopt to because they want to make sure the animal will never go "back in the system". So the alternative is just a bit more time in a cage or foster home. The ones that will put the animals to sleep if they haven't gone out in a certain time typically aren't nearly as picky.

That said... wow. I've seen some strict rules in my time but never a background check. I wonder how they even get the authority to perform one.

Edit:

Ah, that makes more sense. I worked with cats, so they're less concerned about that sort of thing.

The only authority they need is if you don't agree to it, they don't give you the pet.

[GandD 5,966]

Inner city crime has been going on for years... why did the president did not ask VP to look into it first year he was elected if he was so much worried about it?

I don't know

Do you think the drug dealers are going to follow the laws bloomberg is coming up with? Do you think even if the univ background check was going to fix the prob?

You guys act like there's no way to control guns. How would you know that? More importantly, why are you so afraid of a crack down like Germany or Soviet Russia since apparently laws never work. I don't think we need to go to their level but I do think they show laws imposed by a government can reduce guns in a country.

How is limiting size of magazine going to help reduce crime in inner city? How is a database of legal gun owner going to reduce the crime in inner city?

How do expanded magazines help anything? At all?

A database would be difficult to roll out with so many different laws in different state. The more I think about this, the more I think gun laws need to happen only at the federal level. That would make everything standard and would likely do so with less laws.

[Protocol417 161]

The only authority they need is if you don't agree to it, they don't give you the pet.

Sorry, I thought we were talking about something more official, like criminal records and things like that, not interviews and references.

[Sousuke 1,214]

Like in the days of alcohol prohibition why don't you just make your own weapons? Actually, that's liberty. What you're practicing is just consumerism.

Your wide open gun law idea only restricts your liberty, because it requires you to spend more and more on protection from those with weapons wanting to harm you. (It's not actually true, but you're buying the idea.)

We should just sell heroin, meth and crack at Walmart. Because by not allowing me to be a junkie you're infringing on my liberty!

Having to register and license something is SO restrictive.

Why do I even bother with getting a passport? It infringes on my LIBERTY!

Remember that Prohibition created the term scofflaw. As a society the more we prohibit, the less the population respects the validity of law which increases crime in and of itself.

Also, IMO heroin, meth and crack have developed their lethality due to prohibition. I wonder whether meth as a consumer drug would exist for instance if our drug laws were lax.

The US does not require a passport inside the country. Liberty outside the country is defined by the foreign nation.

Edited August 2, 2013 by Brown Dwarf

[Karee 4,191]

To be fair, the ones that have such strict rules are usually no-kill shelters and rescues, who are really paranoid about who they adopt to because they want to make sure the animal will never go "back in the system". So the alternative is just a bit more time in a cage or foster home. The ones that will put the animals to sleep if they haven't gone out in a certain time typically aren't nearly as picky.

That makes sense. I guess if they go through all the trouble of keeping the little critter alive, they want to make sure you're not going to drop it off on death row in the next town over when you get bored with it.

[RGinWA 816]

The argument is that getting married and getting a passport isn't in the constitution. The right to bear arms is.

And who says they can't have them? Not me.

Felons aren't suppose to have weapons because they obviously are not trustworthy and/or too irresponsible to not get caught in the first place. Nobody wants them armed.

They've lost their constitutional rights at that point. Matter of a fact they should be deported and surrender their US citizenship. But that's for another debate.

It's the only way to clean up the country and remove the undesirables from the gene pool.

I bet crime would shrink to nothing if deportation was the end game.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Sorry, I thought we were talking about something more official, like criminal records and things like that, not interviews and references.

The rescue shelter I got my dog from did not do a criminal check on me, but they could have if they wanted to. Employers landlords do them, it's probably not a stretch for an animal shelter to do one too.