Guns from out-of-state make up the grand majority of city crimes

[Karee 4,190]

Registering a weapon and getting your background checked only effects those NOT following the law and those who SHOULDN'T have a weapon. Try getting married without getting checked out or try getting a passport.

Why is this so hard to understand? We all follow laws everyday and the ones who don't eventually get caught? Don't want to go to jail...don't break laws.

Is this too difficult to grasp? How's it removing your freedom? If you don't pass...well you didn't have the freedom anyway.

The argument is that getting married and getting a passport isn't in the constitution. The right to bear arms is.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Anyone honestly believe if the founding fathers were around today, they'd take a look around and say "yep, this is working as intended!"?

[Harsh_77 718]

All law enforcement exists because some knuckle heads don't follow the laws.

There will always be ppl who would not follow the law including the law enforcement officer and judges, does that mean more new laws should be introduced and other who have not done anything wrong should be forced to go by new law?

Just introducing more laws and specially the laws to enforce one's personal belief on others would be completely wrong. The elected officials are not elected so they can enforce their own personal belief on the other ppl.

[Karee 4,190]

Anyone honestly believe if the founding fathers were around today, they'd take a look around and say "yep, this is working as intended!"?

Probably not. They'd see a black guy walking around and wonder why he's not plowing their fields.

[Harsh_77 718]

Again, I disagree. The honest and somewhat honest folks are the ones selling the guns because it's legal. Making the activity illegal, will deter most of them from selling them.

Lot of them are not directly sold... lot of them are stolen as well from the leagal owners.

The study that was originally posted did not have how many of these weapons were reported stolen in their original state.

Also it did not have some of these could have been bought over to the NY by legal owner and than sold in NY.

I am sure for the study only based on serial number tracking... which would only show until it was in hands of Lic dealer.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Probably not. They'd see a black guy walking around and wonder why he's not plowing their fields.

I meant the gun thing, but that too.

[GandD 5,966]

There will always be ppl who would not follow the law including the law enforcement officer and judges, does that mean more new laws should be introduced and other who have not done anything wrong should be forced to go by new law?

Just introducing more laws and specially the laws to enforce one's personal belief on others would be completely wrong. The elected officials are not elected so they can enforce their own personal belief on the other ppl.

Laws must change with the times. Putting one law on top of another is a band aid and only works for so long. That's why many of us call for reform. It doesn't necessarily mean more laws, just amending, changing current laws that don't appropriately address issues facing our society.

[Karee 4,190]

Laws must change with the times. Putting one law on top of another is a band aid and only works for so long. That's why many of us call for reform. It doesn't necessarily mean more laws, just amending, changing current laws that don't appropriately address issues facing our society.

Good point. The problem is that this certain law (right) was handed down from god himself and placed in the constitution.

[Harsh_77 718]

Registering a weapon and getting your background checked only effects those NOT following the law and those who SHOULDN'T have a weapon. Try getting married without getting checked out or try getting a passport.

Why is this so hard to understand? We all follow laws everyday and the ones who don't eventually get caught? Don't want to go to jail...don't break laws.

Is this too difficult to grasp? How's it removing your freedom? If you don't pass...well you didn't have the freedom anyway.

Coz you are not able to understand a simple concept that reg a weapon should not be required, govt does not need to know that detail of a law abbiding citizen.

There is no laws broken and no prob cause and govt should not be having this information.

Were you following the case where govt was tracking AP reporter? Its the same thing govt should not be able to do such things without prob cause.

There is a background check and if you cannot understand that than its too bad.

"We have examined this claim before at PolitiFact, when New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said in July 2012, "There's a loophole where you can sell guns without a background check … 40 percent of guns are sold that way" at gun shows and over the Internet. At the time we rated the claim Mostly True. But since the Newtown, Conn., school shooting, we’ve heard the statistic repeated again and again, plus seen criticism of its use. So we’ve decided to take another look. We have since re-rated the Bloomberg fact-check to Half True."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jan/30/kirsten-gillibrand/gillibrand-says-40-percent-guns-sold-today-escape-/

Most dems talking about this are using 20 yr old data which, during the survey on some of the questions the judgment was made by the interviwer if it was gun was purchased thru dealer or not... thats another flaw with the data.

Even in the gun shows most individual when doing individual sales would ask to see the CCW of the purchaser.... there will always be some rouge, you cannot argue about that.

There were 50K cases that feds knew where individual tried to make a purchase were declined by delear and yet handful of those were investigated by feds.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Coz you are not able to understand a simple concept that reg a weapon should not be required, govt does not need to know that detail of a law abbiding citizen.

There is no laws broken and no prob cause and govt should not be having this information.

I don't break any laws and I have to register certain things. I have to pass background checks for certain things. I have to pay fees for certain things.

Guns should get a free pass?

[Harsh_77 718]

Laws must change with the times. Putting one law on top of another is a band aid and only works for so long. That's why many of us call for reform. It doesn't necessarily mean more laws, just amending, changing current laws that don't appropriately address issues facing our society.

The issue is not the guns... the issue is ppl with mental prob.

Don't you think there is something seriously wrong with a guy who kills his own mother?

Guns did not make him do that,there was something already going on in his head. Do you think he would had not killed his mother if he did not have access to gun?

I don't break any laws and I have to register certain things. I have to pass background checks for certain things. I have to pay fees for certain things.

Guns should get a free pass?

What are those certain things?

[GandD 5,966]

The issue is not the guns... the issue is ppl with mental prob.

Don't you think there is something seriously wrong with a guy who kills his own mother?

Guns did not make him do that,there was something already going on in his head. Do you think he would had not killed his mother if he did not have access to gun?

What are those certain things?

Mental issues are not the cause for inner city crime. (The bulk of all gun crime) It's poverty, drugs, and education.

Good luck fixing all these. I'm down with looking into these probs as well as gun laws.

[Harsh_77 718]

Mental issues are not the cause for inner city crime. (The bulk of all gun crime) It's poverty, drugs, and education.

Good luck fixing all these. I'm down with looking into these probs as well as gun laws.

Inner city crime has been going on for years... why did the president did not ask VP to look into it first year he was elected if he was so much worried about it?

Do you think the drug dealers are going to follow the laws bloomberg is coming up with? Do you think even if the univ background check was going to fix the prob?

How is limiting size of magazine going to help reduce crime in inner city? How is a database of legal gun owner going to reduce the crime in inner city?

Edited August 2, 2013 by Harsh_77

[Penny Lane 8,159]

What are those certain things?

I don't break any laws and I have to register my pets and pay an annual fee for renewal. I couldn't adopt a pet without a background check.

I don't break any laws, have never even received a ticket, and I have to pay to get my car registered. To operate my car, I needed to take a proficiency test, pay for a license, and continue to pay for the renewal of that license.

[Karee 4,190]

How is limiting size of magazine going to help reduce crime in inner city? How is a database of legal gun owner going to reduce the crime in inner city?

Those two things wont resolve a thing in the inner cities. However, it will look good in your upcoming campaign commercial when you run for re-election. That is if you are running in a liberal blue district.