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[The Nature Boy 4,224]

Something of yours is broken because Chicago, LA and DC aren't states.

For as dangerous as Chicago and LA are, Illinois and California didn't even crack the top 10 in states with the most gun related homicides in 2010.

Louisiana topped the list with the most gun related murders. Tell me how strict their gun laws are.

Take out New O and LA is low.

we may be on to a trend

Maybe something besides guns could be the root cause

Why does Chi town have very restrictive gun laws , but is the gun murder capital of the nation. Surely all those extra laws cured the problem

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Take out New O and LA is low.

we may be on to a trend

Maybe something besides guns could be the root cause

Why does Chi town have very restrictive gun laws , but is the gun murder capital of the nation. Surely all those extra laws cured the problem

Take out New Orleans? Why? We're not talking about individual cities, we're talking about states and their laws.

It was said that states with the strictest gun laws have more gun crime. That's not true.

Chicago is in Illinois, which does have restrictive gun laws. And yet, Illinois is pretty far down the list of gun related homicides.

Here's the list, if you're curious:

Louisiana

Missouri

Maryland

South Carolina

Michigan

Delaware

Mississippi

Florida

Georgia

Pennsylvania

Arizona

California

New Mexico

Texas

Arkansas

Virgina

Nevada

North Carolina

Oklahoma

Illinois

That's how far down you have to go before you even get to Illinois.

There are many states on there with fairly restrictive gun laws. States like Maryland, California, etc.

But there are many with pretty lax gun laws. Louisiana, Missouri, Mississippi, Florida, Georgia, Arizona, Texas, Arkansas.

The idea that strict gun laws = more gun crime is false.

[slim 1,525]

The idea that strict gun laws keep you "more safe" is equally false.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

The idea that strict gun laws keep you "more safe" is equally false.

At least you realize that your statement was wildly incorrect.

Gun laws are useless if they aren't enforced, which they aren't. Everything that's illegal in this country still happens on a daily basis. Simply being illegal isn't enough of a deterrent for people.

But that doesn't mean that laws need to be done away with because people don't follow them.

[Karee 4,190]

Take out New Orleans? Why? We're not talking about individual cities, we're talking about states and their laws.

It was said that states with the strictest gun laws have more gun crime. That's not true.

Chicago is in Illinois, which does have restrictive gun laws. And yet, Illinois is pretty far down the list of gun related homicides.

Here's the list, if you're curious:

Louisiana

Missouri

Maryland

South Carolina

Michigan

Delaware

Mississippi

Florida

Georgia

Pennsylvania

Arizona

California

New Mexico

Texas

Arkansas

Virgina

Nevada

North Carolina

Oklahoma

Illinois

That's how far down you have to go before you even get to Illinois.

There are many states on there with fairly restrictive gun laws. States like Maryland, California, etc.

But there are many with pretty lax gun laws. Louisiana, Missouri, Mississippi, Florida, Georgia, Arizona, Texas, Arkansas.

The idea that strict gun laws = more gun crime is false.

Source?

[Teddy B 17,252]

Take out New Orleans? Why? We're not talking about individual cities, we're talking about states and their laws.

It was said that states with the strictest gun laws have more gun crime. That's not true.

Chicago is in Illinois, which does have restrictive gun laws. And yet, Illinois is pretty far down the list of gun related homicides.

Here's the list, if you're curious:

Louisiana

Missouri

Maryland

South Carolina

Michigan

Delaware

Mississippi

Florida

Georgia

Pennsylvania

Arizona

California

New Mexico

Texas

Arkansas

Virgina

Nevada

North Carolina

Oklahoma

Illinois

That's how far down you have to go before you even get to Illinois.

There are many states on there with fairly restrictive gun laws. States like Maryland, California, etc.

But there are many with pretty lax gun laws. Louisiana, Missouri, Mississippi, Florida, Georgia, Arizona, Texas, Arkansas.

The idea that strict gun laws = more gun crime is false.

Over half of the states on that list are southern states with fairly lax gun laws, go figure.

BTW, does anybody know where Vermont placed on that list?

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Source?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

Data is from the US Census Bureau.

I sorted them by gun homicides per 100,000 people. 2010 is the most recent year I could find.

Over half of the states on that list are southern states with fairly lax gun laws, go figure.

BTW, does anybody know where Vermont placed on that list?

Least amount of gun violence with fairly lax gun laws. NH, ND and Iowa are up there too.

[Teddy B 17,252]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

Data is from the US Census Bureau.

I sorted them by gun homicides per 100,000 people. 2010 is the most recent year I could find.

Least amount of gun violence with fairly lax gun laws. NH, ND and Iowa are up there too.

And Vermont Dammit!! Don't make me pm you know who.

Edited August 1, 2013 by Teddy B

[Penny Lane 8,159]

So which other rights should we place under scrutiny?

All of them. Just because something is in the Constitution does not mean it shouldn't adapt as the world and society adapts.

That doesn't mean distort them until they're unrecognizable and no longer rights. There shouldn't be a problem with taking a look at very old laws/rules/rights and saying "okay, how can we apply these to the world of today?"

[Teddy B 17,252]

All of them. Just because something is in the Constitution does not mean it shouldn't adapt as the world and society adapts.

That doesn't mean distort them until they're unrecognizable and no longer rights. There shouldn't be a problem with taking a look at very old laws/rules/rights and saying "okay, how can we apply these to the world of today?"

[Karee 4,190]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

Data is from the US Census Bureau.

I sorted them by gun homicides per 100,000 people. 2010 is the most recent year I could find.

Least amount of gun violence with fairly lax gun laws. NH, ND and Iowa are up there too.

So I looked at the source data from that wiki page concerning gun ownership, and it took me here to usliberals.about.com:

http://usliberals.about.com/od/Election2012Factors/a/Gun-Owners-As-Percentage-Of-Each-States-Population.htm

I was also looking at the far right column which shows the Brady score for most restrictive gun laws.

California has Brady score of 80 out of 100, which is pretty restrictive, yet they have a 3.4 gun murder rate. Conversely, a state like Idaho has a Brady score of 2 out of 100, yet has a gun murder rate of 0.8. Maine has a Brady score of 9, yet a gun murder rate 0.8.

So IMO, it doesn't seem like gun laws help or hurt in most cases. I'd bet if you started comparing poverty rates and gun murder rates, you'd see that's what matters.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

So IMO, it doesn't seem like gun laws help or hurt in most cases. I'd bet if you started comparing poverty rates and gun murder rates, you'd see that's what matters.

Pretty much. Gun violence is high in states with lax and restrictive gun laws, as well as gun violence being low in states with lax and restrictive gun laws.

I was just responding to the statement that "states with restrictive gun laws have the worst gun violence" ... which obviously is not true.

You are absolutely right about the poverty. Poverty breeds violence.

Edited August 1, 2013 by Penny Lane

[slim 1,525]

Do per capita rates equal more?

I'm curious to see the actual numbers. Stands to reason that California would have more gun crime than Rhode Island.

[Karee 4,190]

All of them. Just because something is in the Constitution does not mean it shouldn't adapt as the world and society adapts.

That doesn't mean distort them until they're unrecognizable and no longer rights. There shouldn't be a problem with taking a look at very old laws/rules/rights and saying "okay, how can we apply these to the world of today?"

I think the chances of getting a constitutional amendment modifying the 2nd amendment has about a 0 percent chance of getting ratified by 75% of the states.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Do per capita rates equal more?

I'm curious to see the actual numbers. Stands to reason that California would have more gun crime than Rhode Island.

Well of course. The most populated states will always come out on top.

You can use the Wiki page to sort by any column.