Does Stand Your Ground Apply

[Penny Lane 8,159]

It's always easier to let the government take your rights away. Standing up for liberty is hard. But it's something we have to do. Cops shouldn't get too comfy arriving at someone's house and just walking in. When folks "have nothing to hide" they lower the hoop law enforcement must jump through in order to search our persons and property.

Look how many people had "nothing to hide" in the days after September 11th and were glad TSA was doing such a great job keeping us safe. How's that working out for air travelers now?

Nobody's rights were taken away when they asked my husband if they could come in and look around and he said yes. Relax.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Nobody's rights were taken away when they asked my husband if they could come in and look around and he said yes. Relax.

I bet your husband would never give up a parking space, simply because a cop asked him to move. I know I wouldn't. Only someone with a distinct fear of the po po would do that.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Eff the police.

[Teddy B 17,252]

It's always easier to let the government take your rights away. Standing up for liberty is hard. But it's something we have to do. Cops shouldn't get too comfy arriving at someone's house and just walking in. When folks "have nothing to hide" they lower the hoop law enforcement must jump through in order to search our persons and property.

Look how many people had "nothing to hide" in the days after September 11th and were glad TSA was doing such a great job keeping us safe. How's that working out for air travelers now?

You always have a choice. "No. You do not have my permission to search my vehicle. Am I free to go?" Make them get the dog out there. Make them call the judge. Make them tow your car.

Nine times out of ten when you make them aware that you're familiar with your rights, they're less inclined to mess with you. They have to do a lot of paperwork once they sit on your vehicle for a while. Paperwork is reviewable in court.

I'm in Cincinnati. Our cops are, by and large, respectable fellows who honestly try to do a good job. But like everywhere else, we have those who consider themselves above the laws they've sworn to enforce.

Two nights ago there were five of them standing on top of and around an old schoolmate of mine when they shot him to death. Last night I was parallel parking less than a block from the incident and a cop pulled in behind me, hit the "brrp" horn, and waved me on. I waved back and started yelling cursewords only to remember they'd just shot a man to death the night before.

So, I circled the block.

Like everyone, I give them the benefit of the doubt, but just because they're on the clock doesn't mean they're special. They're people just like the rest of us and their job isn't to be "in charge" or to tell us what to do, it's to respond to crime and do what they can to deter it. I could've "stood my ground" and beeped my horn, got out and waved them back, etc., but like deadly force encounters, sometimes it's better to weigh the outcome and the risk involved.

So I could've parked in the spot. Would that have been a victory for freedom?

This is just too funny.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

Last night I was parallel parking less than a block from the incident and a cop pulled in behind me, hit the "brrp" horn, and waved me on. I waved back and started yelling cursewords

As any rational person would do.

[Jacque67 7,328]

Slim is a natural comedian!

[Teddy B 17,252]

As any rational person would do.

Hey, the AK isn't in the Jeep for show, it's in the Jeep for a reason.

[Karee 4,191]

I guess it brings up a valid question. Should you just let the cops search your car or come into your house simply because they want to? It might seem like it's the easy thing to do and since you haven't done anything wrong, then what's the problem? Now they have this stop and frisk thing in NYC. Cops can just frisk you because they want to. NB posted a video this morning of another cop gone wild. Personally, I don't think the cops should be searching your car or house or whatever, simply because they feel like it.

They had case here in Texas in the last year. Some female state trooper pulled over a couple girls and in the process of the patdown, the lady cop stuck her finger in the girl's vaginas. If it wasn't for the dashcam video, it would've been the cops word vs. these two girls. We all know who would've won that. I always think of the saying about giving them an inch and them taking a mile.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

You're perfectly within your right to calmly state that no, you don't want them to search your home/car if they ask.

But let's not pretend that allowing them to take five minutes and look into your house is giving up some kind of freedom.

[Karee 4,191]

You're perfectly within your right to calmly state that no, you don't want them to search your home/car if they ask.

But let's not pretend that allowing them to take five minutes and look into your house is giving up some kind of freedom.

I guess I disagree. Because if you say no, then you have to wait until they call the dogs out there to sniff around your car. I think allowing them to look in your house for 5 minutes, is giving up your right to privacy. I guess it's all good until you're one of the people that get abused by one of these scenarios.

[Teddy B 17,252]

You're perfectly within your right to calmly state that no, you don't want them to search your home/car if they ask.

But let's not pretend that allowing them to take five minutes and look into your house is giving up some kind of freedom.

And the flipside of saying no, can end up somehwat unpleasant. So it pays to weigh your options and choose your battles.

Penny, in your case where a 911 call was made by a neighbor and the cops came to your husbands house, they already had probable cause to search the house, simply because someone (you) could've been in danger. If your hubby had said no, there's a good chance he would've ended up in cuffs.

Edited July 29, 2013 by Teddy B

[Penny Lane 8,159]

And the flipside of saying no, can end up somehwat unpleasant. So it pays to weigh your options and choose your battles.

Penny, in your case where a 911 call was made by a neighbor and the cops came to your husbands house, they already had probable cause to search the house, simply because someone (you) could've been in danger. If your hubby had said no, there's a good chance he would've ended up in cuffs.

Absolutely. They had no idea that the call was absolute BS and he was home alone.

My husband had no logical reason to say no. So the fact that there are some people here who say that's what he should have done ... is stupid.

I guess I disagree. Because if you say no, then you have to wait until they call the dogs out there to sniff around your car. I think allowing them to look in your house for 5 minutes, is giving up your right to privacy. I guess it's all good until you're one of the people that get abused by one of these scenarios.

I guess that I'm not of the mentality that the cops are out to get me or they're just trying to prove their power over me. You're right, maybe it's because I've never been in a negative situation with law enforcement.

[GandD 5,966]

I always think of the saying about giving them an inch and them taking a mile.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

The funny thing is, as much as I rant about the differences between us, when the cops ask to look around my car, I always comply because I don't anything to hide. It's not worth the hassle IMO.

[Karee 4,191]

The funny thing is, as much as I rant about the differences between us, when the cops ask to look around my car, I always comply because I don't anything to hide. It's not worth the hassle IMO.

What if they ask to frisk you?