Why the Phrase "Black-on-Black Crime" Suggests Inherent Criminality

[RGinWA 816]

While I don't disagree with you that those type of people could use a good beaten, the downside to that is there is no end to it. Who decides what the reasons are where one can be beaten?

On second thought, I nominate myself for that position.

The key is just a beating and not a close to death beating. Like when they spanked in school I'd always do my homework. When I moved back to California the lazy lug in me returned.

[GandD 5,966]

It clearly happens more often than you think. And in places you wouldn't expect.

People like to believe that's a thing of the past, but for some, it just isn't.

I mean, I guess. But I've never done it, been around it, or seen it. Like I said, a large group of loud young black guys, yes. Because, usually they (and nearly any racial group of young people) are looking to be d1ckheads to other people.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

I mean, I guess. But I've never done it, been around it, or seen it. Like I said, a large group of loud young black guys, yes. Because, usually they (and nearly any racial group of young people) are looking to be d1ckheads to other people.

I moved from a pretty big, multicultural city to the small, very white suburbs.. and I've definitely noticed it. It's something like 82% white here. Black people make up for less than 2% of the population where I live. It becomes easier to notice when it's more visible, I suppose.

[GandD 5,966]

Rehabilitation strategy? That's probably the nicest way I've ever heard prison described.

But really, think objectively if you wanted to stop someone from doing something like this again. Wouldn't you have to take two complete approaches to one guy who kicked a gay guys a$$ and one guy who beat a guys a$$ and took his money?

[RGinWA 816]

I mean, I guess. But I've never done it, been around it, or seen it. Like I said, a large group of loud young black guys, yes. Because, usually they (and nearly any racial group of young people) are looking to be d1ckheads to other people.

D!ckheads usually flourish in a large group.

[GandD 5,966]

D!ckheads usually flourish in a large group.

Yeah they do. They reach their prime somewhere around 17.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Well you'd be beating him because he stole money from you, not because he's gay so it wouldn't be a hate crime. Hate crimes are determined by motive, not race. Motive is everything in all crime. I think a motive of race or sexuality is deserving of a different type of rehabilitation strategy than a motive of getting more money.

But how would you know why I was beating him. Perhaps I didn't care about the money and really hated him for being gay?

All crimes have motive, race is a motive just like robbery is a motive. I can understand why the rehabilitation part of it would be different, but I don't understand why the motive should change the severity of the sentence.

Let me ask you this. Do you think someone should get more time for beating up a 20 year old gay body builder simply because he's gay? Or should someone get more time for robbing and beating an 80 year old Grandmother?

[Karee 4,190]

But really, think objectively if you wanted to stop someone from doing something like this again. Wouldn't you have to take two complete approaches to one guy who kicked a gay guys a$$ and one guy who beat a guys a$$ and took his money?

Sorry, but the rehabilitation strategy is pretty much the same across the board for all crimes. Lock 'em up and throw away the key. The crime rates are way down, so it's hard to argue against that strategy.

There hasn't been any real effort at rehabilitation in the U.S. justice system for decades.

[RGinWA 816]

Sorry, but the rehabilitation strategy is pretty much the same across the board for all crimes. Lock 'em up and throw away the key. The crime rates are way down, so it's hard to argue against that strategy.

There hasn't been any real effort at rehabilitation in the U.S. justice system for decades.

They even got rid of the weights. At least prison was good for getting huge.

[Jacque67 7,328]

But how would you know why I was beating him. Perhaps I didn't care about the money and really hated him for being gay?

All crimes have motive, race is a motive just like robbery is a motive. I can understand why the rehabilitation part of it would be different, but I don't understand why the motive should change the severity of the sentence.

Let me ask you this. Do you think someone should get more time for beating up a 20 year old gay body builder simply because he's gay? Or should someone get more time for robbing and beating an 80 year old Grandmother?

Chill and let your lawyer decide.

They even got rid of the weights. At least prison was good for getting huge.

Really?

Sorry, but the rehabilitation strategy is pretty much the same across the board for all crimes. Lock 'em up and throw away the key. The crime rates are way down, so it's hard to argue against that strategy.

There hasn't been any real effort at rehabilitation in the U.S. justice system for decades.

Pack them off to fight in Syria.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Just to clarify what I said. I said that if he was black he probably would've been charged. That doesn't make it right. There's no logic in that. It's like saying since a black guy would have been unfairly charged for the crime, we should unfairly charge a white guy.

I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear. I'm not advocating that we charge someone unfairly because it's done to us. What I am saying is look at how the mindframe changes. How can something be right for him, but wrong if he was black? And you know just like I do that would be the case. If GZ was black and TM was white, TM"s previous activities wouldn't have been drug to the light, they would have said, it doesn't matter because he was just walking to the store. No one would have suspected him of committing a crime at 1900 with no weapons, no tools, on the phone talking to a woman, walking in the rain with a hoodie on, but for TM now, it's all a very real possiblity, by some accounts, he was on his way to a crime spree that rivaled Adam Lanza.

Here is why the white community and some folks here can't see it the way I, some few folks here, and 86% of the black community can. Because in their minds, they see it as GZ minding his own business and TM pouncing on him like some animal. It doesn't happen to white folks at all. Think about it, when was the last time a white person asked you, what are you doing here? Did they follow you for 4 minutes? Did they call the cops first? Did they follow you on foot? If this was a case of TM being white, I'll bet anything that GZ would have just walked up and asked him properly if not just let him on his merry way. Which is what should have happened here. If GZ treated TM like a regular teenager, instead of a criminal, maybe TM would have responded back like a teenager instead of fighting him. Gowon hit this spot on when he said the guy walked up and asked him what was he doing there. He answered the question, something TM didn't get a chance to do.

People say since black committ 90% of crime, they warrant extra suspicion. Since whites committ the most white collar crime, mass shootings, rapes, does this bode for them as well?

[RGinWA 816]

Chill and let your lawyer decide.

Really?

Pack them off to fight in Syria.

In California the got rid of weights years ago. And also smoking...which makes no sense with violent criminals.

[Teddy B 17,252]

And this is the root of the problem. Just because you think it's not racism, doesn't mean that it isn't. There have been so many posts and links to highlight this, but your mind is made up. And I am not mad about that with you.

I said early on he would walk, not because he was innocent, but because the charges wouldn't stick plus an all white/hispanic jury. And as Karee pointed out, if he was black he would have been charged. How can you not see the racism in that?

The root of the problem is that there is absolutely no evidence that points to racism in this case. Continuously pointing out racism in past cases does not make it so in this one.

The part in bold shows you had your mind made up before the trial had taken place, that's also the root of the problem. You started with race and ended with race.

[Jacque67 7,328]

In California the got rid of weights years ago. And also smoking...which makes no sense with violent criminals.

Wow!

[Jacque67 7,328]

The root of the problem is that there is absolutely no evidence that points to racism in this case. Continuously pointing out racism in past cases does not make it so in this one.

The part in bold shows you had your mind made up before the trial had taken place, that's also the root of the problem. You started with race and ended with race.

No. GZ started with race and that was why he was concerned about TM.