Why the Phrase "Black-on-Black Crime" Suggests Inherent Criminality

[Teddy B 17,252]

Marvin, I am not and have not ever ignored the fact that racism exists and in SOME cases black people are treated differently and get the short end of the stick. It most definitely happens, but not all the time. In this GZ/TM case the black community of this country, from the President, to the race baiters, right down to you on this board picked the wrong fight and now that things didn't turn out the way you wanted, instead of admitting it was the wrong fightyou're finding ways to distort the trial and the way it was handled.

First it was George Zimmerman, a half Hispanic, half Jew overzealous neighborhood watchman, who gets villainized as an angry white man with an axe to grind, who shoots a poor black innocent teenager to death, must be race. Then it's the local police in Sanford that didn't handle the case properly because they allowed a light skinned man to go free after shooting a black teenager to death, must be race. So a police chief with an impeccable record loses his job because he must be racist for letting Zimmerman go. Jump forward to the trial, Zimmerman is found not guilty. No jury in the world could possibly find GZ guilty based on the evidence put forth in this trial. But that must be racist too, the jury was 6 white women. Where does this bs end?

I am not racist, and I give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I think you're a good man, but your continuous banging of the racism drum is starting to lose credibility with me.

Edited July 24, 2013 by Teddy B

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Wow. That is f*cked up. Seems like Lance Gross is a real pr!ck. I'm glad you posted that. What a worthless excuse for a human being. I can't believe you would even think that's ok.

Actually I don't, but this is what myself and countless others deal with on a daily basis. And honeslty, I don't think he has it that bad. This is a bit much for him.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Well, because you're doing harm to someone just because you hate who they are, not for any tangible reason.

So having a "tangible reason" to beat someone makes it less of a crime? Who decides what those reasons are? Does putting a hate crime tag on it change the severity of the beating in anyway? If a gay man stole $100 dollars from me, can I beat him senseless without it being tagged a hate crime because he stole money from me?

[RGinWA 816]

Um, I disagree with this. Its worse in my mind to beat someone nearly to death or to death for being gay than because they owed you money or something.

Some violence is necessary to keep things equal. Like a purse snatcher catching a beating or getting your @ss kicked for being a bully.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Marvin, I am not and have not ever ignored the fact that racism exists and in SOME cases black people are treated differently and get the short end of the stick. It most definitely happens, but not all the time. In this GZ/TM case the black community of this country, from the President, to the race baiters, right down to you on this board picked the wrong fight and now that things didn't turn out the way you wanted, instead of admitting it was the wrong fightyou're finding ways to distort the trial and the way it was handled.

First it was George Zimmerman, a half Hispanic, half Jew overzealous neighborhood watchman, who gets villainized as an angry white man with an axe to grind, who shoots a poor black innocent teenager to death, must be race. Then it's the local police in Sanford that didn't handle the case properly because they allowed a light skinned man to go free after shooting a black teenager to death, must be race. So a police chief with an impeccable record loses his job because he must be racist for letting Zimmerman go. Jump forward to the trial, Zimmerman is found not guilty. No jury in the world could possibly find GZ guilty based on the evidence put forth in this trial. But that must be racist too, the jury was 6 white women. Where does this bs end?

I am not racist, and I give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I think you're a good man, but your continuous banging of the racism drum is starting to lose credibility with me.

And this is the root of the problem. Just because you think it's not racism, doesn't mean that it isn't. There have been so many posts and links to highlight this, but your mind is made up. And I am not mad about that with you.

I said early on he would walk, not because he was innocent, but because the charges wouldn't stick plus an all white/hispanic jury. And as Karee pointed out, if he was black he would have been charged. How can you not see the racism in that?

[Teddy B 17,252]

Some violence is necessary to keep things equal. Like a purse snatcher catching a beating or getting your @ss kicked for being a bully.

While I don't disagree with you that those type of people could use a good beaten, the downside to that is there is no end to it. Who decides what the reasons are where one can be beaten?

On second thought, I nominate myself for that position.

[Karee 4,190]

And this is the root of the problem. Just because you think it's not racism, doesn't mean that it isn't. There have been so many posts and links to highlight this, but your mind is made up. And I am not mad about that with you.

I said early on he would walk, not because he was innocent, but because the charges wouldn't stick plus an all white/hispanic jury. And as Karee pointed out, if he was black he would have been charged. How can you not see the racism in that?

Just to clarify what I said. I said that if he was black he probably would've been charged. That doesn't make it right. There's no logic in that. It's like saying since a black guy would have been unfairly charged for the crime, we should unfairly charge a white guy.

[Jacque67 7,328]

So having a "tangible reason" to beat someone makes it less of a crime? Who decides what those reasons are? Does putting a hate crime tag on it change the severity of the beating in anyway? If a gay man stole $100 dollars from me, can I beat him senseless without it being tagged a hate crime because he stole money from me?

If you have a good lawyer, yes.

[GandD 5,966]

So having a "tangible reason" to beat someone makes it less of a crime? Who decides what those reasons are? Does putting a hate crime tag on it change the severity of the beating in anyway? If a gay man stole $100 dollars from me, can I beat him senseless without it being tagged a hate crime because he stole money from me?

Well you'd be beating him because he stole money from you, not because he's gay so it wouldn't be a hate crime. Hate crimes are determined by motive, not race. Motive is everything in all crime. I think a motive of race or sexuality is deserving of a different type of rehabilitation strategy than a motive of getting more money.

[Karee 4,190]

If you have a good lawyer, yes.

Shouldn't matter, but it does.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

People cross the street when they see you coming? I'm calling shenanigans on that.

I've seen it happen here.

[GandD 5,966]

I've seen it happen here.

That doesn't even happen in the south. I could see it for a group of loud young black men. But for one guy? No.

If you have a good lawyer, yes.

Unfortunately this more likely matter than anything we will discuss here today.

Edited July 24, 2013 by GandD

[Karee 4,190]

Well you'd be beating him because he stole money from you, not because he's gay so it wouldn't be a hate crime. Hate crimes are determined by motive, not race. Motive is everything in all crime. I think a motive of race or sexuality is deserving of a different type of rehabilitation strategy than a motive of getting more money.

Rehabilitation strategy? That's probably the nicest way I've ever heard prison described.

[Penny Lane 8,159]

That doesn't even happen in the south. I could see it for a group of loud young black men. But for one guy? No.

Unfortunately this likely matter more than anything we will discuss here today.

It clearly happens more often than you think. And in places you wouldn't expect.

People like to believe that's a thing of the past, but for some, it just isn't.

[GandD 5,966]

Rehabilitation strategy? That's probably the nicest way I've ever heard prison described.

That was good wasn't it?