63 percent back path to citizenship

[Harsh_77 718]

The thing with this type of mentality is that people, especially the younger folks, tend to have a "it won't happen to me" mentality so i don't put a lot of faith in scaring them out of coming here illegally. Look at the metal gymnastics people do here because they can't possibly live another couple months without their fiance or wife or whatever.

Yep lot of ppl act like it would not happen to them but even when they are caught most of them get away with very little punishment and hence it keeps on going.

How many times do you believe the posts on here where someone enters on VWP or tourist visa they had no intention of AOS and then there is change of mind as soon as they cross POE.

Now in the same case if the punishment was strict ppl would be afraid to do it, take look at other countries where the laws are stricter ppl dont want to violate them.

You're right about this part. I especially hate that I had to pay out the butt to get my wife here and still have years of more payments to come. BUT, if you could make them legal and get them paying income taxes, I think it may be a necessary evil to getting ourselves out of this debt crisis. Punishing them means putting them in a prison cell that I also have to pay for so I'm not overly inclined to opt for that.

That they would start putting money in the system as the tax is one of the assumption, there has been some studies that contradict that.

I am not saying you have to put every single violator in the prison, there are other ways like not renting, not hiring illegals, if you as employer is caught employing illegal make a heavier penalties.

There were some banks that were willing to open the accounts for illegals based on their home country Id there was one business that was even willing to accept pesos.

And even if they want to make a way for them to bring them legally in the system they should be at the end of the line, I am sorry but ppl who did it right way and followed all the laws should not be pushed to the back of the line.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Personally I would not take any poll does not matter who did at their face value.

Would you take a pole at face value?

[Harsh_77 718]

Yes, like George Zimmermann or Michael Dunn. And that's exactly why I don't trust them.

Not all. Only those that don't agree with his opinion.

Dont tell me you agree with all the polls.

You also selectively agree with only certain polls that present their output as you want to see.

Edited July 23, 2013 by Harsh_77

[Harsh_77 718]

Would you take a pole at face value?

It might easier to take a pole at face value than a poll.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Dont tell me you agree with all the polls.

You also selectively agree with only certain polls that present their output as you want to see.

See above. Any single poll can be an outlier. But when you have poll after poll after poll pointing in the same direction as is the case here, then I think these polls are indeed reflective of where America stands on an issue.

[Harsh_77 718]

See above. Any single poll can be an outlier. But when you have poll after poll after poll pointing in the same direction as is the case here, then I think these polls are indeed reflective of where America stands on an issue.

AP link does not open for me.

NBC poll has couple questions on immigration, for the question if the respondent would be upset or not if immigration bill was not passed is 50-50. (which was selectively polled only on form A)

Another question wht respondent think of immigration bill and path to citizenship the number has dropped from 29%in April 2013 to 22% in June.

Washington post link is not working either.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

AP-GfK Poll: http://ap-gfkpoll.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/AP-GfK-April-2013-Topline-Posted-FINAL_immigration.pdf

NBC/WSJ Poll: http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/WSJpoll060513.pdf

Washington Post/ABC News poll: http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2013/07/18/National-Politics/Polling/release_251.xml

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Another question wht respondent think of immigration bill and path to citizenship the number has dropped from 29%in April 2013 to 22% in June.

That's the "strong support" only. Overall support on that question has decreased some. But looking at the next question - path to citizenship if certain conditions are attached - the support has held very steady at 65% over that same time period.

[Harsh_77 718]

AP-GfK Poll: http://ap-gfkpoll.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/AP-GfK-April-2013-Topline-Posted-FINAL_immigration.pdf

NBC/WSJ Poll: http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/WSJpoll060513.pdf

Washington Post/ABC News poll: http://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2013/07/18/National-Politics/Polling/release_251.xml

Thanks for posting the links for some reason AP and Washington Post were not working for me earlier.

If you look at the AP poll... actually ppl who strongly agree is 33% they have clubbed strongly agree and somewhat agree together to get to 63%.

Also if you look at the demographic of sample is more dems on the poll. - Thats exactly what I have said in earlier post poll numbers could be skewed to make the result look favorable.

Same way the Washington post also clubbed the strongly agree and somewhat agree and there is not much clear about the sample.

There can be someone who partially agree or agree a immigration policy needs changes but might not agree with path or where in line they would go.

[Harsh_77 718]

That's the "strong support" only. Overall support on that question has decreased some. But looking at the next question - path to citizenship if certain conditions are attached - the support has held very steady at 65% over that same time period.

There should be a way to give them a legal but I dont know if citizenship should be included.

Maybe the approach should be one step at a time rather than running and falling down. Lets say if just a legal status is given to them and everything works out open the route for citizenship anyone would have prob at that point.

[GandD 5,966]

There should be a way to give them a legal but I dont know if citizenship should be included.

Maybe the approach should be one step at a time rather than running and falling down. Lets say if just a legal status is given to them and everything works out open the route for citizenship anyone would have prob at that point.

I agree with the one step at a time approach. And it has to be very simple. We know the fails that exist in processing immigration paperwork.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Also if you look at the demographic of sample is more dems on the poll. - Thats exactly what I have said in earlier post poll numbers could be skewed to make the result look favorable.

Yes, the same garbage argument that was made to trash the polls that showed Obama winning re-election. And yet, he won. In a landslide.

[JohnR! 5,495]

There should be a way to give them a legal but I dont know if citizenship should be included.

Maybe the approach should be one step at a time rather than running and falling down. Lets say if just a legal status is given to them and everything works out open the route for citizenship anyone would have prob at that point.

That is precisely how the legislation is being proposed and the very reason I say that calling it 'path to citizenship' is a misnomer...

There is no path to citizenship because naturalization is not mandatory nor expected.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

There should be a way to give them a legal but I dont know if citizenship should be included.

Maybe the approach should be one step at a time rather than running and falling down. Lets say if just a legal status is given to them and everything works out open the route for citizenship anyone would have prob at that point.

These are polls we're talking about. People are asked a question based on what legislation is in the works. That legislation includes a path to citizenship and a solid majority of people support that. Some strongly, some somewhat but in the end, they support it. That's all that matters. You will notice that the opposition is split in strong and somewhat oppose all the same. There is more strong support than strong opposition. There's more lukewarm support than lukewarm opposition. Bottom line, there's more support than opposition. By a 2 to 1 margin. That's pretty solid any way you slice it.

[Harsh_77 718]

Yes, the same garbage argument that was made to trash the polls that showed Obama winning re-election. And yet, he won. In a landslide.

I just read the data they have published as part of their poll.

QFA4 on pg28 of the NBC poll

Strong dems - 20

Not very strong dems - 10

Ind / Lean dems - 13

Strict Ind - 18

Ind / Lean rep - 13

Not very strong rep - 9

strong rep - 12

and others \ Not sure - 3 & 1

So using the same method adding all the dems would be 43% and rep would be 34%