Illegal aliens murder

[pedroh 21]

World of Nuts Daily

yea they say they are a neutral watchdog of the government.. but all I see are pro- uber-right wing articles.. i see neutral my #######

[Scott & Lai 12]

The term illegal alien is a misnomer.

hardly.... a foreign national ("alien") entering our country or staying in it in violation of our sovereign laws is here illegally, hence, "illegal alien." So, how is the term a misnomer? Does a nation not have the right to decide who may enter it and on what conditions they may enter?

[Killer_Clown_2009 0]

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbc...16/1110/OPINION

This site describes it best. You might have noticed that the media (or most of the media) don't use that term at all.

[GaryC 7]

A rose by any other name....

Illegal alien fits. They are an alien (not a USC and from another country) and they are here illegally (no visa, no permission) Why is there such a fuss over calling them what they are? The PC mentality seeks to minimize the fact that anyone that sneaks across the border, comes here under false pretenses or overstays their visa has broken our laws. They are criminals and should either be in jail or deported and NOT have their crime minimized with PC #######.

[Killer_Clown_2009 0]

A rose by any other name....

Illegal alien fits. They are an alien (not a USC and from another country) and they are here illegally (no visa, no permission) Why is there such a fuss over calling them what they are? The PC mentality seeks to minimize the fact that anyone that sneaks across the border, comes here under false pretenses or overstays their visa has broken our laws. They are criminals and should either be in jail or deported and NOT have their crime minimized with PC #######.

I see it as more than a "PC" Mentality. Maybe it has to do with where I come from, but the term "legal alien", itself is not such a nice term and isn't used that often, even the term alien is on it's way out.

I don't believe that the term alien is used in Canada at all to describe an immigrant or foreign national (legally present or not), so maybe that accounts for my different perspective.

But it is an interesting idea about a person not being "illegal", while their crime may be illegal or they may be illegally present, but a "person" is not illegal.

Edited December 1, 2006 by jane2005

[one...two...tree 2,762]

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbc...16/1110/OPINION

This site describes it best. You might have noticed that the media (or most of the media) don't use that term at all.

Excellent point, Jane! It's a misnomer to equate them as felons...but oh boy, you just opened up a can-o-worms...better duck...here come the immigrant vigilantes.

A rose by any other name....

Illegal alien fits. They are an alien (not a USC and from another country) and they are here illegally (no visa, no permission) Why is there such a fuss over calling them what they are? The PC mentality seeks to minimize the fact that anyone that sneaks across the border, comes here under false pretenses or overstays their visa has broken our laws. They are criminals and should either be in jail or deported and NOT have their crime minimized with PC #######.

I see it as more than a "PC" Mentality. Maybe it has to do with where I come from, but the term "legal alien", itself is not such a nice term and isn't used that often, even the term alien is on it's way out.

I don't believe that the term alien is used in Canada at all to describe an immigrant or foreign national (legally present or not), so maybe that accounts for my different perspective.

But it is an interesting idea about a person not being "illegal", while their crime may be illegal or they may be illegally present, but a "person" is not illegal.

Jane - you ROCK!

[GaryC 7]

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbc...16/1110/OPINION

This site describes it best. You might have noticed that the media (or most of the media) don't use that term at all.

Excellent point, Jane! It's a misnomer to equate them as felons...but oh boy, you just opened up a can-o-worms...better duck...here come the immigrant vigilantes.

A rose by any other name....

Illegal alien fits. They are an alien (not a USC and from another country) and they are here illegally (no visa, no permission) Why is there such a fuss over calling them what they are? The PC mentality seeks to minimize the fact that anyone that sneaks across the border, comes here under false pretenses or overstays their visa has broken our laws. They are criminals and should either be in jail or deported and NOT have their crime minimized with PC #######.

I see it as more than a "PC" Mentality. Maybe it has to do with where I come from, but the term "legal alien", itself is not such a nice term and isn't used that often, even the term alien is on it's way out.

I don't believe that the term alien is used in Canada at all to describe an immigrant or foreign national (legally present or not), so maybe that accounts for my different perspective.

But it is an interesting idea about a person not being "illegal", while their crime may be illegal or they may be illegally present, but a "person" is not illegal.

Jane - you ROCK!

I am not backing down. These people are illegal. There presence here is illegal so they are illegal. They are thumbing their noses at our laws and I will not back down when faced with the PC crapola.

[Killer_Clown_2009 0]

lol, I am asking you to back down. You are entitled to your opinion. But I do agree with this article and many other (probably leftist) type ideas that I come across too.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbc...16/1110/OPINION

This site describes it best. You might have noticed that the media (or most of the media) don't use that term at all.

Excellent point, Jane! It's a misnomer to equate them as felons...but oh boy, you just opened up a can-o-worms...better duck...here come the immigrant vigilantes.

A rose by any other name....

Illegal alien fits. They are an alien (not a USC and from another country) and they are here illegally (no visa, no permission) Why is there such a fuss over calling them what they are? The PC mentality seeks to minimize the fact that anyone that sneaks across the border, comes here under false pretenses or overstays their visa has broken our laws. They are criminals and should either be in jail or deported and NOT have their crime minimized with PC #######.

I see it as more than a "PC" Mentality. Maybe it has to do with where I come from, but the term "legal alien", itself is not such a nice term and isn't used that often, even the term alien is on it's way out.

I don't believe that the term alien is used in Canada at all to describe an immigrant or foreign national (legally present or not), so maybe that accounts for my different perspective.

But it is an interesting idea about a person not being "illegal", while their crime may be illegal or they may be illegally present, but a "person" is not illegal.

Jane - you ROCK!

I am not backing down. These people are illegal. There presence here is illegal so they are illegal. They are thumbing their noses at our laws and I will not back down when faced with the PC crapola.

It's not PC...it's challenging what is now an accepted term.

Are they felons? What is the equivalent to being here illegally in terms of other illegal acts?

...from the article:

The difference between criminal law and civil law can be explained quite simply. Some behavior is prohibited because it is inherently evil, such as murder, rape and stealing. Even if no law said so, we would all know that these acts are fundamentally immoral and against any civilized code of behavior. In legal Latin, they are known as malum in se, or "bad in itself." These acts are so bad that we authorize our government to strip the liberty from people who engage in them. We put them in jail, sometimes even to death.

Civil law covers all of the other behavior that we constrain or prohibit because it helps keep society functioning, like controlling the speed limit, paying your taxes on time, or getting a license to practice certain jobs or professions. If you fail to comply with the regulation, you may be in the wrong, but we do not assume that you are evil. These violations are called malum prohibitum — "bad because prohibited."

Edited December 1, 2006 by Steven_and_Jinky

[GaryC 7]

We have laws for a reason. Any country has the right to controll it's borders. If you disregard the law then you are a criminal. There is no grey area here. If you come here without following the immigration laws then you are breaking the law. If you break the law you are a criminal. If you are a criminal then you should pay the price. Why do you want to minimize their crime? If you don't believe in the law then why are you bothering to get Jinky a visa? Just fly her to Mexico or Canada and walk her across.

[Killer_Clown_2009 0]

If you go 50 in a 45 mph zone, are you a criminal?

What about not coming to a full stop at a stop sign?

lol

sorry, i just had to ask.

We have laws for a reason. Any country has the right to controll it's borders. If you disregard the law then you are a criminal. There is no grey area here. If you come here without following the immigration laws then you are breaking the law. If you break the law you are a criminal. If you are a criminal then you should pay the price. Why do you want to minimize their crime? If you don't believe in the law then why are you bothering to get Jinky a visa? Just fly her to Mexico or Canada and walk her across.

He might be better off doing it that way. From what I hear, people who enter without inspection, immediately get welfare, free health care, housing ( a bunch of other benefits, i forget what they all are) and the red carpet rolled out to them by the politicians.

Edited December 1, 2006 by jane2005

[GaryC 7]

If you go 50 in a 45 mph zone, are you a criminal?

What about not coming to a full stop at a stop sign?

lol

sorry, i just had to ask.

Yes

crim‧i‧nal  /ˈkrɪmənl

–adjective

1. of the nature of or involving crime.

2. guilty of crime.

3. Law. of or pertaining to crime or its punishment: a criminal proceeding.

4. senseless; foolish: It's criminal to waste so much good food.

5. exorbitant; grossly overpriced: They charge absolutely criminal prices.

–noun

6. a person guilty or convicted of a crime.

Edited December 1, 2006 by Iniibig ko si Luz forever

[one...two...tree 2,762]

We have laws for a reason. Any country has the right to controll it's borders. If you disregard the law then you are a criminal. There is no grey area here. If you come here without following the immigration laws then you are breaking the law. If you break the law you are a criminal. If you are a criminal then you should pay the price. Why do you want to minimize their crime? If you don't believe in the law then why are you bothering to get Jinky a visa? Just fly her to Mexico or Canada and walk her across.

For the same reason I follow the traffic laws (for the most part). But Gary, you've just ignored what was stated above - the difference between criminal and civil law. An immigrant who is here illegally is not a criminal and that's the legal fact, nor should they be regarded as criminal.

Do you think they should be regarded as felons?

[GaryC 7]

We have laws for a reason. Any country has the right to controll it's borders. If you disregard the law then you are a criminal. There is no grey area here. If you come here without following the immigration laws then you are breaking the law. If you break the law you are a criminal. If you are a criminal then you should pay the price. Why do you want to minimize their crime? If you don't believe in the law then why are you bothering to get Jinky a visa? Just fly her to Mexico or Canada and walk her across.

For the same reason I follow the traffic laws (for the most part). But Gary, you've just ignored what was stated above - the difference between criminal and civil law. An immigrant who is here illegally is not a criminal and that's the legal fact, nor should they be regarded as criminal.

Do you think they should be regarded as felons?

Yes. I think they should go to jail and then deported and never allowed back. You can call them what you want. They are criminals.

Immigration law in not a civil law. If you violate it the penalty could be jail. That makes it NOT a civil law.

Edited December 1, 2006 by Iniibig ko si Luz forever

[one...two...tree 2,762]

We have laws for a reason. Any country has the right to controll it's borders. If you disregard the law then you are a criminal. There is no grey area here. If you come here without following the immigration laws then you are breaking the law. If you break the law you are a criminal. If you are a criminal then you should pay the price. Why do you want to minimize their crime? If you don't believe in the law then why are you bothering to get Jinky a visa? Just fly her to Mexico or Canada and walk her across.

For the same reason I follow the traffic laws (for the most part). But Gary, you've just ignored what was stated above - the difference between criminal and civil law. An immigrant who is here illegally is not a criminal and that's the legal fact, nor should they be regarded as criminal.

Do you think they should be regarded as felons?

Yes. I think they should go to jail and then deported and never allowed back. You can call them what you want. They are criminals.

Gary, you can't just regard them as you see fit. The law does not regard them as criminals. Unless you propose we change the laws. You know where I stand on the issue of illegal drug use - I think we've got the wrong attitude about what we deem as criminal behavior.